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Post by JoJo on Oct 15, 2006 21:00:29 GMT -5
OK, this is what I'm talking about, where is the mention of the "widowed bride" as the song goes. (NY Times)  |
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Oct 15, 2006 21:38:14 GMT -5
Tara and NiKki divorced after only a couple years of marriage. Suki is said to have been Tara's first girlfriend after his divorce. I don't have an answer as to why Nikki isn't mentioned, much less that she may have grieved over his death. By the way, Tara's grave is located at Luggula, near a small lake, it's sort of a greco-roman temple. Temple by Lough TayAccording to Marianne Faithfull, in her biography, it was because of infidelity, that Tara was upset that Nikki cheated on him with an Italian guy (or guys). In my opinion, this is a little strange considering the fact Nikki had two young sons to care for, and you'd think a woman's nature to be a mother would override anything else. That somehow it would be Tara who would have cheated, since he was a luminary in the London underground--he had a propensity to go carousing and a want be seen, to feel important (like his mother Oonagh and her sisters). But Marianne Faithfull insists Nikki cheated on him, and Tara was absolutely heartbroken. Either way, it seems Tara was trying to find a way out of his troubles--be it with drugs and a fast car, or something else... |
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Post by JoJo on Oct 15, 2006 21:57:14 GMT -5
Hmm well the Marianne Faithfull bio is something to consider, one would assume she would have heard a thing or two. Hats off to you for the extensive research you have done on Tara and family btw.
I think it's a safe assumption that when a guy gets married that young, it's to make the girl "respectable".
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Oct 16, 2006 10:21:53 GMT -5
Okay, I think maybe we're talking about the same Julian Browne. Here's what I came up with when I did another people search... Appearantly he has lived in Chicago, Ft. Lauderdale, Santa Barbara, and currently resides in Honolulu. When he lived in Ft. Lauderdale, a woman named Isabel M. Browne lived with him. So it's within reason to assume she must be Isabella Iglesias! Julian & Isabel in FLIn 1990, Faul was on his world tour, promoting his album "Flowers In The Dirt". He played Chicago on numerous dates: Dec. 4 & 5 1989, and July 29, 1990 (perhaps not so unusual, but let it be noted). |
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Post by beatlies on Oct 16, 2006 18:43:04 GMT -5
"It doesn’t really matter what clothes I wear
Or how I fare or if my heir is Browne
When it’s only a Northern Song."
Edit:
"you were in a car crash and you lost your hair (heir)"
---"Don't Pass Me By" a Ringo (Fingo? Played by Browne?) song 1968
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Post by JoJo on Jan 8, 2007 17:34:22 GMT -5
Finally got around to checking out some microfilm of The London Times from Dec 19, 1966 until about a week following, but there was no story about any "Guinness heir". Well maybe they didn't feel it was newsworthy, although as you saw, the NY Times did.. Perhaps the family killed the story, at least in this particular paper?
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jan 8, 2007 18:22:23 GMT -5
JoJo, what you might want to look for is the Tara Browne memorial service on January, 10 1967 at St Paul's Church in Knightsbridge. It's claimed the coroner's report was issued sometime in January--it basically stated Tara's death was the result of 'brain lacerations due to fractures of the skull'. While your at it, you might also want to look for the article about the January 7th mini coop crash on the M1 motorway (--the pot-hole story was supposed to have been printed on that date too).
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Post by JoJo on Jan 8, 2007 18:25:52 GMT -5
Cool, thanks JGD, I will do that very soon. I even had it loaded in the special copy machine reader, I was planning to post anything I found. Stay tuned.
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Post by JoJo on Jan 9, 2007 17:03:49 GMT -5
Well, couldn't find anything in January either, must be some kind of editorial decision. The Times strikes me as a rather buttoned down stuffy paper, perhaps a more tabloid type paper had more information. (don't think the library I use has any other English papers) But I went back to December and found this tiny entry in the obituary section:  |
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jan 9, 2007 17:31:35 GMT -5
The obituary from December that you found reveals there was to be a funeral for family only, the memorial service arranged at a later date. As I've pointed out, the Tara Browne grave--a greco-roman temple--rests at the Luggala home near a small lake.
The information about Tara's memorial service on January, 10 1967 at St Paul's Church in Knightsbridge in London's West End was extracted from Beatles history time lines. Reportedly, the both the Beatles and Rolling Stones attended this service. It's quite conceivable there were two memorial services, one in London for friends, and another smaller one back in Ireland for family members.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jan 17, 2007 7:05:24 GMT -5
 Front seat (bottom to top): David Vaughan, Dudley Edwards, Douglas Binder Back seat (bottom to top): Martin Cook, Tara Browne, Gary White  Tara Browne  (The splotch on the bridge of his nose is just from the printing of the book.) |
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 17, 2007 7:45:04 GMT -5
Jai, where did you find this photo? I've never been able to find anything like that in my searching, well done!
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jan 17, 2007 13:37:18 GMT -5
The first photo of the whole car came from musicpictures. The close-up image I scanned from a book:
"I Want To Take You Higher--The Psychodelic Era 1965-1969", edited by James Henke with Parke Puterbaugh, essays by Charles Perry and Barry Miles. Copyright 1997 by The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum and Sarah Lazin Books.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 17, 2007 19:32:57 GMT -5
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Post by apollocvermouth on Jan 29, 2007 21:01:04 GMT -5
Pardon the intrusion...
Seems that much has been made of Tara's passing only through mention in part during "A Day in the Life."
His "widowed bride" being excluded in most publications. Her name is Noreen MacSherry. She bore two sons. Tara being 21 years of age when he passed. Yet, nary a mention of the marriage in 1964. He being the son of the 4th Lord Oranmore and Browne and Oonagh Guinness, seems to beg for a polite mention on the "society page."
Apollo
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 29, 2007 22:27:43 GMT -5
Yes, one would have thought such a marraige would be loudly heralded, given the circumstances of his birth. Perhaps he eloped; married a "commoner". In Las Vegas!  www.lyrics007.com/Don%20McLean%20Lyrics/American%20Pie%20Lyrics.html"But February made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.
I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died."
www.thepeerage.com/p5790.htmHon. Tara Browne (M) b. 4 March 1945, d. 1966, #57891 Pedigree Father Dominick Geoffrey Edward Browne, 4th Baron Oranmore and Browne b. 21 October 1901, d. 7 August 2002 Mother Oonagh Guinness b. 22 February 1910 Last Edited 15 Jan 2004 Hon. Tara Browne was born on 4 March 1945. He was the son of Dominick Geoffrey Edward Browne, 4th Baron Oranmore and Edward Browne, 4th Baron Oranmore and Browne and Oonagh Guinness. He married Noreen MacSherry in 1963. He died in 1966. Family : Noreen MacSherry Children : Dorian Clifford Browne b. 1963 Julian Dominick Browne b. 1965 |
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Post by JoJo on Mar 24, 2007 9:48:20 GMT -5
A question for JGD, as you are well versed in the family history..
What is the familial relationship between Sabrina Guinness and Tara Browne? Of course Sabrina has been in the news of late, spotted with Sir Paul..
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Mar 30, 2007 23:38:27 GMT -5
Sabrina Guinness is kind of on the other side of the Guinness family tree from Tara Brown, but there is a connection. I guess she'd be a distant cousin?
The genealogic split is made between the brothers Benjamin Lee Guinness and Edward Cecil Guinness--their father was Sir Benjamin Lee Guinness Sr.. Sabrina comes down Bejamin Jr.'s line and Tara down Edward's line.
Edward had three sons: Rupert, Walter, and Arthur Ernest. Arthur Ernest Guinness had three daughters: Maureen, Aileen, and Oonagh. Oonagh Guinness married Dominick Browne and they had two sons Garech and Tara.
Benjamin Lee Guinness, 1st Bart of St. James Gate had four children. One was his son Benjamin Lee Guinness, Capt of the Royal Horse Guard. This son maried Lady Henrietta St. Lawrence, 5th Daughter of 3rd Earl of Howith and they had three children. One was their son, Sir Algernon Arthur St. Lawrence Lee Guinness, 3rd Bart of Riverdene who had James Edward Alexander Rundell Guinness. He married Pauline Vivien Mander and they had four children, one of which was Sebrina Jane (her twin sister is Miranda Vivien).
Sabrina's father James Guinness was born 23 Sept, 1924, a son of Sir Arthur Guinness by his wife Frances Patience Wright, and was educated at Eton & Oxford.
James Edward Alexander Rundell Guinness was an aristicrat and banker married Pauline Mander in 1953. By whom he had 1 son and four daughters. Of his four daughters, 2 were: Sabrina Guinness, sometime escort of the Prince of Wales, and Anita Guinness, who married in 1981, the Hon Amschel Rothschild, a son of the 3rd Baron Rothschild.
Sabrina also was a favorite of Mick Jagger for awhile.
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Post by beatlies on Apr 1, 2007 3:11:44 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Apr 11, 2007 20:22:11 GMT -5
So according to TKIN, this guy in a 1969 Laugh-In episode called "Ringo" is really Tara Browne, who had his death faked presumably by MI6. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfBBU8WSYvU&mode=related&search=Is this true? Is there any available video or audio of Tara Browne pre-the"accident"? Now the new Faul is going out with another Guiness family member, who is the ex-girlfriend of Prince Charles and the other government agent officials, Sir Mi(6)ck Jagger and David Bowie (turned down his knighthood !) |
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 11, 2007 20:42:26 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Apr 11, 2007 21:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Apr 11, 2007 22:24:43 GMT -5
So according to TKIN, this guy in a 1969 Laugh-In episode called "Ringo" is really Tara Browne, who had his death faked presumably by MI6. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfBBU8WSYvU&mode=related&search=Is this true? Is there any available video or audio of Tara Browne pre-the"accident"? Now the new Faul is going out with another Guiness family member, who is the ex-girlfriend of Prince Charles and the other government agent officials, Sir Mi(6)ck Jagger and David Bowie (turned down his knighthood !) That's Fingo, it's obvious. Even the people posting comments at that youtube page had questions. The REAL Ringo became the replacement version Peter Sellers. Don't you understand? So that's Fingo doing Sellers as done by Ringo, i.e. Feeter Fellars. |
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Post by beatlies on Apr 11, 2007 22:37:24 GMT -5
So according to TKIN, this guy in a 1969 Laugh-In episode called "Ringo" is really Tara Browne, who had his death faked presumably by MI6. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfBBU8WSYvU&mode=related&search=Is this true? Is there any available video or audio of Tara Browne pre-the"accident"? Now the new Faul is going out with another Guiness family member, who is the ex-girlfriend of Prince Charles and the other government agent officials, Sir Mi(6)ck Jagger and David Bowie (turned down his knighthood !) That's Fingo, it's obvious. Even the people posting comments at that youtube page had questions. The REAL Ringo became the replacement version Peter Sellers. Don't you understand? So that's Fingo doing Sellers as done by Ringo, i.e. Feeter Fellars. Here are those comments for the youtube video: Comments & Responses Post a video response Post a text comment beatlesgirl101 (1 month ago) is this really ringo (Reply) JustHeather767 (1 month ago) oh dear...and you call yourself a Beatles fan -_- (Reply) sittre4you (1 month ago) Of course it is!!!! (Reply) beatlesgirl101 (4 weeks ago) it said peter sellers as ringo (Reply) gustavosarmento (3 weeks ago) Oh, the irony... some people DEFINITELY don't get it. Geez...  (Reply) mariole33 (3 weeks ago) This was absolutely, positively adorable. Ringo is such a cutie! (Reply) psnoodles2 (2 weeks ago) hahaha I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL WEARING WATER RINGS?! (Reply) BettyPipetti (6 days ago) Ringo saying "peter sellars" was probably a reference to the movie that came out around 1970, called Magic Christian, which Ringo was in and i think Peter Sellars co-starred in it. (Reply) zuebee (5 days ago) "The Magic Christian" was released in Dec. 1969. Peter Sellers stars as the world's wealthiest man, who sets out with a young ally whom he adopts as his heir (Ringo Starr) to demonstrate that people, most especially rich people, will do anything for money. If you haven't seen this movie, you are missing out! And yes, this really is Ringo appearing on Laugh-In! Great video clip... THANKS! (Reply) Would you like to comment? |
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Post by sadiewestbrooke on Apr 23, 2007 1:01:18 GMT -5
I don't think Tara Browne had any connection other then the song lyrics. That's just my opinion.
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