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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 30, 2005 12:35:24 GMT -5
For all new members and visitors please visit the Physical Evidence link before posting.
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Post by yellomattercustard on Aug 30, 2006 22:02:45 GMT -5
This is the undeniable evidence.
Many people are still focusing on album cover clues, backward messages, etc. etc. and I feel that as long as we continue to study these, we will forever be sidetracked away from the REAL evidence, which is what we have here. Backwards messages, and album cover clues prove nothing, and make us believers in PID/PWR seem even wackier than people initially thought we were.
How can they explain THIS away though?
Especially part 4, with the facial comparisons, head size, shape, etc.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 30, 2007 6:28:55 GMT -5
This is the undeniable evidence. Many people are still focusing on album cover clues, backward messages, etc. etc. and I feel that as long as we continue to study these, we will forever be sidetracked away from the REAL evidence, which is what we have here. Backwards messages, and album cover clues prove nothing, and make us believers in PID/PWR seem even wackier than people initially thought we were. How can they explain THIS away though? Especially part 4, with the facial comparisons, head size, shape, etc. I am not sure that the photographic comparisons make for an airtight case. There are too many variables such as expressions, drug use, etc. Though I see differences I have not come across any forensic experts who use the methods that we are using to seeing on the various sites. If someone could point me to an expert who does use this method I'd appreciate it.
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Post by mommybird on Jun 30, 2007 14:15:51 GMT -5
What we need is to get some forensics experts to join this forum !
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 29, 2007 17:21:16 GMT -5
one thing doesn't really sit tight with me on this - could the facial anomalies be attributed to either of Paul's supposed crashes? ie pre-crash Paul had a round, chubby face - post-crash Paul had his jaw put out of shape etc..
I don't know how advanced the medical profession was in 1966, could facial reconstruction - not even major reconstruction - be the answer?
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Post by JoJo on Jul 29, 2007 17:28:43 GMT -5
One wasn't supposed at all, the moped crash while riding with Tara Browne in 1965. (which gave him a split lip and chipped tooth) What's the other one?
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 29, 2007 17:42:27 GMT -5
damn.. i need to think before hitting 'post reply'
firstly, i'm not sure how 'supposed' slipped in there - i think maybe that was in reference to the second crash
i was going to say crash a) in December '65 and crash b) in November '66 - although i guess we can ignore the first crash, as his face stays comparatively the same before and after that - so the only 'supposed' crash would be that of '66.
Lets say Paul crashes his car and has his jaw dislocated or something - would that account for [some of] the facial differences between the two - Paul and 'Faul'?
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Post by hope on Jul 29, 2007 17:45:43 GMT -5
Maybe it would account for some of the anomalies but it surely wouldn't have deformed his head or dislocated his eyes. I could be wrong, though.
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Post by Valis on Jul 29, 2007 17:55:21 GMT -5
Welcom Thedeceptionist,
but how would a crash result in differnce of: -height, the imposter was longer -build, Paul was chubby, round shoulders and knees, the imposter had pointed shoulders and knees -face the imposter has a clearly longer face -ears. Paul's were horizontically attached to his head (I mean the underside) and the imposter's were hanging -voice, Paul's is round and full, the imposter's high and thin
And I never heard of Paul having an accident in late 66, or you must be talking about that accident that has only been hinted at in later clues, like the Day In The Life and I'm So Tired lyrics which were the basic symbolic clues leading fans to believe he was dead.
Dig deeper, follow the white rabbit
All Love Jan
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 29, 2007 19:07:52 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome, Jan. I've been browsing the boards for a while now - finally decided to join up when I could no longer take a back seat lol.
Well - the libero.it site's 'undeniable forensic dissertation' is what got me turned back on to this whole thing in the first place, I figured if it really is undeniable then - wtf??? you know?
The jaw dislocation thing was about the only hole I could pick out of that argument without perhaps enrolling in a forensics course - and I still can't fault it on most points.
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Post by mommybird on Jul 29, 2007 19:23:38 GMT -5
Welcome, Deceptionist ! I went to your minespace. You seem like a really interesting fellow. ;D You have to take the libero sites with a grain of salt. The people behind all of that tend to change the story a bit too often for my liking !
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 29, 2007 21:16:45 GMT -5
Yes, I was thrown a bit when I read their version of the events up to and after Paul's death; quite dissimilar from anything I'd read before. Some of the details seemed very vague and almost as if they'd been pulled out of a hat and others were perhaps half-decent ideas never really wrapped up - esp. were they inferring that Neil Aspinall was/is Faul/Billy Shears/William Campbell/Vivian Stanshall of the Bonzo's? Seemed a bit of a stretch really.
Ah, Myspazz.. a place for fiends lol
...and with fiends like these - who needs life?
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Post by JoJo on Jul 29, 2007 23:23:00 GMT -5
damn.. i need to think before hitting 'post reply' firstly, i'm not sure how 'supposed' slipped in there - i think maybe that was in reference to the second crash i was going to say crash a) in December '65 and crash b) in November '66 - although i guess we can ignore the first crash, as his face stays comparatively the same before and after that - so the only 'supposed' crash would be that of '66. Lets say Paul crashes his car and has his jaw dislocated or something - would that account for [some of] the facial differences between the two - Paul and 'Faul'? Understand about the supposed crashes thedeceptionist, and Valis was correct in that November of 1966 was the rumored crash date in which Paul was allegdly killed in rumor and in printed gossip, given semi-weight by even being printed in the New York Times. The "Paul sightings" were rather slim after mid September, (Melody Maker awards) with one at a club with him "dressed as an arab" in October, and then he spent time with Mal Evans in Africa the next month. (looking decidedly not much like Paul) A mustached Paul is finally intercepted outside EMI studios in Decmeber with Mal hovering around him, seemingly hanging on his every word. Edit: I think the Africa trip was also in October, can't find the exact info at the moment. It doesn't seem like there was a car crash in November, although perhaps it made a good story to spread around. Welcome btw.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 29, 2007 23:35:28 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like there was a car crash in November, although perhaps it made a good story to spread around. Welcome btw. Come to think of it the only reason I can think of for citing November as the crash-date would be the Sgt. Pepper drum - yet the closest actual event to that is probably the January 7th[?] crash of his Mini Cooper en-route to him at the Sussex party ...and yes I do feel most welcome very much. Good to get a warm reception somewhere for once. Ty guys ;D
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Post by percythrillington on Aug 31, 2007 20:12:13 GMT -5
2 words for these supposedly physical evidences: weight and age differences. Photo angles and different poses might also interfere in your analysis... then I might concede that maybe "supposed crashes" might have something to do, even tho there is no strong evidence they occurred... and taking things like that as "evidences" makes me laugh:
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Post by 65if2007 on Nov 18, 2007 5:06:17 GMT -5
2 words for these supposedly physical evidences: weight and age differences. Photo angles and different poses might also interfere in your analysis... Are you sure that you don't also believe that Paul McCartney and Isabel Allende are the same person? They don't look the same to me, but then that could be accounted for by weight and age differences. Then too, photo angles and different poses might also interfere in your analysis. then I might concede that maybe "supposed crashes" might have something to do, even tho there is no strong evidence they occurred... and taking things like that as "evidences" makes me laugh: Yeah, it's the PIA MO. Ridicule and deferring to conventional opinion. When all else fails.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 18, 2007 14:04:57 GMT -5
plus Faul has an entirely different personality from Paul. The music is different...he even plays different instruments! His voice has changed and his style of writing, IMHO, is different. But since this section of the forum is about physical evidence, maybe someone can say where the physical Faul is? He has his life's work on DVD released, but other than fighting with his disabled ex about millions, he is doing no PR?
To me, the fact that Faul has not been on Letterman or Stern is physical evidence as well. It is evidence that something is wrong. If you do not work in the entertainment business you may not understand how strange this is, but believe me it means $$$. And Faul is very concerned about money or else he wouldn't be arguing with Heather. He'd just want her to shut up (like everyone else in the entertainment business).
The fact that the PIA folks want to berate us for what we think is obvious, reflects a deep insecurity about their own beliefs (which they are entitled to). But those beliefs are held by most of the world, so they have no NEED to express those views here unless they have additional information which would be very welcome.
Please remember that misinformation (and disinformation) is a part of the game played by experts in the Intelligence field. In fact, it is normal business to infiltrate the opposition as a tactic. As an example, please refer to Alex Jones who is clearly not working for the cause he claims to represent.
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Post by mommybird on Nov 18, 2007 15:55:29 GMT -5
Iburied Paul that was an excellent post. I agree with you 100% Where is Sir Paul ? I think that it's time for us to go to his official website & start making inquiries. Has he posted there since the 12th ? I think that it's sad that those of us who clearly have no love for the man ( myself included ) are more worried than those professing to be his undying fans.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Nov 19, 2007 6:13:40 GMT -5
Thanks :}} Sir Faul gave a personal message, but it was read by his brother...I dont recall his brother representing him before...does anyone know if this is a new trend or has Faul used his brother in the past? Former Beatle Sir Paul McCartney has backed a campaign to stop the closure of a post office near one of his homes. He gave a personal message read out by his brother outside the post office in Lower Heswall... www.midsussextimes.co.uk/latest-national-news/Sir-Paul-backs-post-office.3501264.jp
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Post by mommybird on Nov 19, 2007 16:20:27 GMT -5
That is very strange. To be honest, I'm not 100 % sure that the Peter Michael McCartney of today is the original. He looks drastically different than Paul's brother.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jan 24, 2008 17:45:58 GMT -5
so i was browsing alluc when i found this: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5644481843574621580&q=Timewatch&total=745&start=30&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6it basically postulates a couple theories about the sphinx, one of them being that the face is not that of cephren.. anyway, that bits not important.. what IS is that this 'cooky' professor hires a guy from the NYPD who's an expert forensic illustrator (or something along those lines) to compare the faces of the sphinx and a known statue of cephren.. watching it i saw the similarities between the stuff at libero.it and the tests this guy was carrying out.. surely someone (IAAP are you reading this? ) should hire a professional to carry out an unbiased and scientific analysis of pre 86 publications of pre and post 66 paul??
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 6, 2008 16:27:20 GMT -5
Has anyone ever researched how to get evidence in England? Is there a FOIA equivalent? What kind of car is that in "Free as a Bird"? Is it an Aston Martin? www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D196-oXw2k (2:28) Is there a picture of the crash scene online somewhere? I have an image of a crash scene that purports to be "the crash scene" that i just grabbed off of a video. It's a light colored sports car, but I can't tell what kind.
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Post by pauliedied on Nov 8, 2009 7:22:47 GMT -5
How do you come to that conclusion? 1. if you believe PID, then your reference are his teeth in 1966. Teeth change. 2. u can barely see them 3. best visible is his left front tooth, which he chipped sometime between 1965 and 1966. So of course that one is different. always was. 4. looks like just Paul to me:
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Post by il ras on Nov 19, 2009 14:41:22 GMT -5
How do you come to that conclusion? the forensic comparison published on wired says they aren't... I'm not an expert but the ones that made the analysis for the magazine are professionals
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Post by ticket2ride on Jul 10, 2013 10:17:25 GMT -5
I am open minded about this whole issue, especially as from what I have read the mods and other posters actually have done a lot of original research around the whole Paul is Dead and Replaced including primary sources from the 60s. I don't think the threads or posts along the lines of 'someone I know from Liverpool says blah blah' as these kinds of 'information sources' never give specifics or any kind of evidence, even good circumstantial evidence.
However, I would like to add my opinion about the physical evidence. I am not trying to be cynical or rude, just giving alternatives. I agree the Paul of Sergeant Pepper looks notably different from the Paul before especially the more pronounced cleft in the chin from then. As well as the narrow face of course.
But I have to say that yes, despite what I read here and on other websites on PID, faces DO change remarkably in some people. I had a broad jawline and full cheeks until the last few years and my face is now more angular and notably smaller despite the fact I haven't dropped in scales weight (tho I am not fat). My face has lost weight and I look a lot more like one of my relatives than I ever did when I was younger. My eyes have become deeper, nothing unusual in people.
I know Paul was younger when he changed but I will venture to say that I think people here are not really registering how much drug use will change the way somebody looks as in Paul's case. You can say that the LSD changed his appearance - literally. Another music legend also changed drastically within a short time under the influence of the drug - Jim Morrison. He went from chubby, ordinary looker to chiselled jawed rock god under the influence of LSD ingestion which made him skip meals.
Paul, too, wasn't so different when he was young from the bags under the eyes, lined look on his face a couple of years after Sergeant Pepper. I was having a good look at some photos of him in the early days of the Beatles and he had even then the premature lining around his eyes when he smiled that seems fairly common among white Brits -not being rude, I have just noted that white Brits seem to have far more lined faces when relatively young than they should in a country that is not noted for its sunny climes except in summer.
As far as teeth are concerned, come on, teeth can change all the time if you don't take care of them and also when you do. Especially in those days when dental hygiene wasn't great. But of course teeth were easy to fix or change for people of means like the Beatles. As for the ears etc - a problem I have with all of this is a lot of the photos are not clear. I know the Italians did a fascinating study and they have more expertise than me in that field but actually ears can also change as you get older as well as noses.
Noses and ears can keep growing and it is not unusual for young people to have more rounded, undefined noses that become more thin or pronounced depending on genetics. People I have known for years who looked like their mother's side of the family when they were younger now look more like their paternal side. Including their noses.
On that note I have also read posts about John Lennon's changing nose but some of you don't know or are forgetting that he was a fighting man and used to get into blows with other men at times. He was decked a few times in the face, I bet his nose was clocked.
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