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Post by guitargaz on Aug 25, 2006 19:59:48 GMT -5
hey GG, were you aware the 2nd Pepperpots album was released on cd in Estonia? It sounds pretty good (sonically). It's not ripped from a record as far as I can tell.
I must try and get hold of it - my stepmother is over from Florida at Christmas - she may have the albums still.
I don't mean to demean anyone's quest for the truth here - there is obviously something that has rang a bell with people - hey I have at times doubted that men actually landed on the moon so I'm not averse to a conspiracy theory. I just think that Paul is so much the same person now as he was then - its in the eyes mostly. You couldn't find a bigger Beatles fan than me and I have been watching them on film and TV since they started. I have never detected any difference in Paul - I think John changed more and the later period John looked very different from the early period John. But Paul has always been Paul. I presume the story was put about - possibly by Brian Chalmers and/or others to discredit or undermine Paul by making him a sort of joke - but it seems to have been perpetuated somehow as if people want to believe it. It is an interesting phenomenon. Why someone would want to do this is perhaps more interesting - and is a better thoery to follow than than the myth itself.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Aug 25, 2006 20:16:05 GMT -5
"Why someone would want to do this is perhaps more interesting - and is a better theory to follow than than the myth itself."
Exactly! ;D
But, as JoJo has already mentioned, we don't think of it as "mythical" here, for the most part.
The funny thing is: It is!
But not quite in the way you meant it, Guitargaz.
Again, thank you so much for your input!
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 25, 2006 20:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 25, 2006 20:39:39 GMT -5
...and there's this thread right here with a few good comparisons. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=TAR&action=display&thread=1150988339Ya probably just haven't looked thru enough photos for it to "click". ya probably never had a reason to want to do that in the first place... But there does seem to be at least 2 guys. It's very easy to tell the difference once ya know what to look for. This isn't a PID forum, so much as a Paul was replaced forum. ( I lean toward PID myself,but that's beside the point.) We're just a bunch of folks who have noticed somethin' "funny" goin' on with "Paul"... or the "Pauls". There was a lot goin' on behind the scenes for sure. This seems to be the never-ending mystery coz the more we look into stuff, the more questions arise. . |
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Post by revolver on Aug 25, 2006 20:52:43 GMT -5
Gary, we understand the reluctance to accept that PWR, but these two fades from the above site are good introductory ones for skeptics. Do those really look like the same guy? We think not. peppertobutcher3paultofaulhead |
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Post by guitargaz on Aug 26, 2006 5:26:09 GMT -5
Sorry but I just don't see it - maybe Paul has had plastic surgery (and thats the difference) but apart from a different hair style which does make him look different, I don't buy the height thing at all - your examples don't convince me at all that he was taller. Photos and perspective all play tricks - maybe there is something going on but the "evidence" provided is unconvincing. I am very open minded - and I always thought he did look different from the old Paul - round about Penny Lane time - but they all changed. I think drugs drink and age played their part. I would love this to be true as we all need mysteries - but I just don't think that there is enough here to go on. I think Paul changed from being a boy to being a man. He went through different looks. But I don't think your evidence from photos proves he is an imposter. But thats just me and I'm not in denial - I hated Macca in the late 70's and 80's for musical reasons - but we all love him now. I don't think he is an imposter but I'd love someone to prove it!
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 26, 2006 7:00:40 GMT -5
Sorry but I just don't see it - maybe Paul has had plastic surgery (and thats the difference) but apart from a different hair style which does make him look different, I don't buy the height thing at all - your examples don't convince me at all that he was taller. Photos and perspective all play tricks - maybe there is something going on but the "evidence" provided is unconvincing. I am very open minded - and I always thought he did look different from the old Paul - round about Penny Lane time - but they all changed. I think drugs drink and age played their part. I would love this to be true as we all need mysteries - but I just don't think that there is enough here to go on. I think Paul changed from being a boy to being a man. He went through different looks. But I don't think your evidence from photos proves he is an imposter. But thats just me and I'm not in denial - I hated Macca in the late 70's and 80's for musical reasons - but we all love him now. I don't think he is an imposter but I'd love someone to prove it! Hey no problem GG. We don't require that ya agree with us; just having an open mind is good enough. We'd love for ya to hang around if ya have a mind to. As a group, we're kinda split down the middle concerning PID. Some of us aren't convinced JPM died in 66, but we do tend to agree that JPM had a replacement. Was it permanent or temporary? That's part of the mystery. But anyway, we're glad to have ya & I appreciate your contributions |
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 26, 2006 14:48:04 GMT -5
GG, If the physical evidence page didn't convince you, nothing probably will.  Just so know, we really appreciate you clearing up the Bill Sheppard/Pepperpots issue for us.  |
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 26, 2006 23:04:07 GMT -5
Hmm, I have another question for Shepherd fils, if he would be so kind as to attend to the query backlog...
How is it that the Pepperpots released "Don't Tell Me You Don't Know" as a single? Was that common for knockoff bands? This actually charted...
And, BTW - did Shepherd pere ever say anything about in-jokes, double entendre, hidden meanings, etc in any of the Pepperpot albums? (I.e., or did he consider it all purely one-dimensional, acreative dreck?)
I suppose that's more than one question...
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Post by guitargaz on Aug 27, 2006 7:38:06 GMT -5
How is it that the Pepperpots released "Don't Tell Me You Don't Know" as a single? Was that common for knockoff bands? This actually charted...
And, BTW - did Shepherd pere ever say anything about in-jokes, double entendre, hidden meanings, etc in any of the Pepperpot albums? (I.e., or did he consider it all purely one-dimensional, acreative dreck?)
Sorry - I can't help with this - we never spoke much about this other than it was a cash in and not taken seriously - I think they were asked to do it and treated it as fun. Whether any royalties came in I'm not sure - I suspect they were just paid a session fee. I will try and get hold of the records as I haven't really heard them - and I would know my Dad's voice within a blend of voices. If there were jokes it was nothing to do with the Beatles/Paul replacement thing. I didn't know the single charted either. Unfortunately he died before this seemed to be a subject of interest - although he would have been hugely amused by it all. By the way he was only about 5'7" or 5'8" so he didn't fit the profile of Paul's replacement anyway.
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Post by guitargaz on Aug 27, 2006 7:48:33 GMT -5
If the physical evidence page didn't convince you, nothing probably will.
No offence - I don't think the physical evidence is that strong - having seen and read about all the Lee Harvey Oswald doctoring of photos and the analysis done, the analysis here can only seem amateurish (and that is not an insult as I'm sure a lot of work has gone into it) - but I'm not any kind of expert - I think to take this seriously there must be no prospect of photos not being properly compared (perspective and size/distance) - and I think its shaky what I have seen so far - but that doesn't mean there isn't a mystery here. Its been a story I've lived with for many years - I remember how ridiculous it seemed to most people when the first conspiracy theories over the Kennedy assassination first became known - but the evidence later became compelling (even if further scientific advances mean that this evidence has been somewhat disproved). So keep up the investigation - a proper scientific look at this would clear up what has obviously been compelling many people for years.
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 27, 2006 8:48:02 GMT -5
No offence - I don't think the physical evidence is that strong - having seen and read about all the Lee Harvey Oswald doctoring of photos and the analysis done, the analysis here can only seem amateurish (and that is not an insult as I'm sure a lot of work has gone into it) - but I'm not any kind of expert - I think to take this seriously there must be no prospect of photos not being properly compared (perspective and size/distance) - and I think its shaky what I have seen so far - but that doesn't mean there isn't a mystery here. Its been a story I've lived with for many years - I remember how ridiculous it seemed to most people when the first conspiracy theories over the Kennedy assassination first became known - but the evidence later became compelling (even if further scientific advances mean that this evidence has been somewhat disproved). So keep up the investigation - a proper scientific look at this would clear up what has obviously been compelling many people for years. No offense taken GG. Most of us have looked at so many pics, we've gotten very good at tellin' them apart, although there are periods of time when it's much harder to tell who's who .... hence the "PWR not PID" argument. (There's also a distinct difference in the vocals btw.) Hard physical evidence would be a jewel of a find, but ya know those bones were buried a long time ago. We went to a lot of trouble to search out a certain issue of Reveille that has a pic of "Bill" walkin' thru the airport all bandaged up from plastic surgery, with the headline "What's Wrong With Paul?" & we're pretty sure we found THE issue... ya know why? That page was missing! There have been reports that when "Paul" got busted for weed in Japan, the fingerprints didn't match up at first.... but this is just one report in one newspaper.... never to be mentioned again. Now wouldn't that be a jewel of a find! After all the work to find that issue of Reveille, somebody was way ahead of us. I accept yer conclusion GG, & I'm not gonna make a habit of this HONEST!... but you really don't see 2 different people here? (just this once)   If ya only see one person.. the Macca Funhouse crew's gonna LOVE you!! ;D hey GG, if ya can't find that Pepperpots cd, you can download it. The link's somewhere around here.... & I've scanned the cd's cover front & back also & posted those images. Sorry I'm not prepared with a link right to it. I got my original cd on ebay... a company in Estonia has officially released the cd. (who woulda thunk it  ) |
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Post by lili on Aug 27, 2006 10:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 27, 2006 11:33:00 GMT -5
EB, your example is better than fades in many ways. I think the average person has a distrust of fades because it is technological and therefore could be tampered with.
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Post by lili on Aug 27, 2006 13:33:32 GMT -5
Thank you, DH. You know that I take this subject very seriously. ;D
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 27, 2006 16:14:32 GMT -5
Oooops... my bad....I don't think the links & pics for the cd are in a an area that you can access.... if it is, I can't find it. Maybe I didn't look hard enough..... But here's the scans to the cd cover etc & I'll betcha one of us can get you the download links for the cd-quality tracks if you want us to.    |
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Post by noodles on Aug 28, 2006 4:29:23 GMT -5
How is it that the Pepperpots released "Don't Tell Me You Don't Know" as a single? Was that common for knockoff bands? This actually charted... Evidence? |
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Post by noodles on Aug 28, 2006 6:17:55 GMT -5
There surely must be a few more pictures knocking about in which faux Paul is showing his real ears. Anyone have any?  |
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Post by guitargaz on Aug 28, 2006 7:05:27 GMT -5
Maybe I didn't look hard enough.....
But here's the scans to the cd cover etc & I'll betcha one of us can get you the download links for the cd-quality tracks if you want us to.
This is great - I'd love to get the cd download if anyone can find me a link - I'll check with my stepmother as to whether any royalties come her way from thes compositions. Thanks for all this - it is fascinating reading all the theories.
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Post by lili on Aug 28, 2006 10:18:23 GMT -5
Noodles, I'm going through all of my photobuckets to see what I can come up with. GG, we try our best to do comparisons by using early photos of the Paul replacement(s). I will date the photos of the replacement to the best of my ability. Paul, 1964/65  Faul 1967, wearing his fake ears   Faul, with his natural ears - during the filming of MMT - 1967   Another photo of Faul with his natural ears, 1967  Faul, with his fake ears sometime in the early 1970's:  Paul, circa 1963  As far as there being a great resemblance between Paul & his replacement(s), isn't that the whole idea ? Anyone who has seen Legends In Concert knows that there are many people making a living impersonating celebrities. Bill has taken it one step further, by taking over that celebrity's life ! For those of us who forget, the TRUE Beatles - holding their MBE's - 1965:  The difference in the faces of John & George from 1965 to 1967 speaks VOLUMES. |
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Post by revolver on Aug 29, 2006 14:25:26 GMT -5
Guitargaz, here's one more thing to check out before you completely rule out Paul being replaced. This is JoJo's compilation video that switches between a '66 Beatles press conference, and a '67 BBC TV interview of "Paul". (My avatar was made from two stills of this video.) Remember, these were recorded less than a year apart. www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/66_67interviews.mpg |
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Post by noodles on Aug 29, 2006 15:28:08 GMT -5
Noodles, I'm going through all of my photobuckets to see what I can come up with. I think it was you that found several of the interesting ear pictures I've seen lili so I'm sure you can find some more. You seem to have a knack for it. This is one of my favourites. There seem to be several of these Beatles Monthly pictures where they just thought '"Sod it!!" and painted the ear out.   His teeth look like freshly molded plastic too. |
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Post by jerriwillmore on Aug 31, 2006 20:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by lili on Sept 1, 2006 10:56:54 GMT -5
That could very well be, Jerri. The best way to get anywhere in the music business is by knowing someone. |
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 22, 2006 20:02:21 GMT -5
I'd never heard the Pepperpots, so a friend sent me the music on MORE MERSEYMANIA, and.... I liked it! Call me crazy, but "I Don't Need You" could have been a hit if it hadn't sounded like it was recorded in a tin can! My only regret is that I haven't heard "Jericho" from their first album.  But I have to say, NO ONE on that album sounds like Paul OR Faul, so clearly he must have come from somewhere else. What I did notice was how similar they were in style and music to Gary Lewis and the Playboys. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that there's a connection there somehow. |
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