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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Aug 29, 2005 3:47:07 GMT -5
Let me say what first comes to mind when looking at these photos in the video...
The music starts...
1. St. Peter crucified upsidedown. A martyr. He meets souls at the pearly gates. 2. A drawn statue of a woman. She reminds me of Marie Antoinette, the last Queen of France, beheaded during the French revolution. 3. The car looks like a classic Mercedes Benz from the 30's. 4. A car with what appears to be a still under the hood and two silouettes (possible male and female.) 5. The next frame may be time lapsed photography with a bridge in the background. Then the foreground, a busy thoroughfare with the lights of cars speeding past. Bands of light stream across the image. 6-8. A car, it looks like a Volkeswagen Carmengia, explodes in half. I see two frames regarding the fireball. It's a bit of a roarschock test, but the first frame there appears to be man in a white t-shirt and a dog like a pointer (on the right side). The second frame looks an eggshaped head and house on top of his forehead. 9. The next frame looks like a half eaten torso laying like Gulliver in "Gulliver's Travels" before a scene reminscent of a city ravaged by the World War II. 10. A chilling scene of a body dangling out of a car. Sadly, it must be Paul. There is what appears to be Jane Asher's profile superimposed on his back. This is just too much... 11. The women look like Christine Keeler and Valerie Hobson. In 1963, John Profumo, a member of Parliament, cheated on his wife Valerie. He had an affair with Christine. Anyway, the women appear to be in shock and the glass looks as though it were shattered by a bullet. 12-13. The mirrored design with Paul in the center. His hair looks wet. Very creepy. 14. A winged lion flying upward. Perhaps he's carrying a lantern or maybe an ash urn? They're very symbolic, generally considered a guardian. 15. The callbox. 16.--18. The stoplights changing from brown eyes to green. 19. Here comes the "Sun King"... The man behind the mask. 20. Women with a skeleton. Obviously, a skeleton represents death. 21. The black hooded figure. Usually, you see this type of imagery associated with hostage situations like POW's or kidnappings... 22-23. The thumb and foot prints. 24. The handshake. A deal with the devil. 25-26. A social gathering of well to do, looks like the turn of the century. It's juxtaposed in the next frame by women in mourning. 27. Not certain what the sketch is supposed to depict. Though a statue looks toward heaven. 28. A woman holds a crucifix while across the sea there is a plume of smoke on the peninsula. 29. Two women, the young lady is greatly distressed and the older one comforts her. 30. If it's Faul, then I wonder when it was taken... 31. Dark, penetrating eyes and a face with a look of great anxiety... 32. Could be a morgue... 33. A man and woman. A very downcast couple. 34. A well dressed couple. She seems to be dotting her eyes with a handkerchief while he escorts her. (I've been thinking how all this might relate to Tara Browne... The pictures aren't the best quality though.) 35. The skeletal hands... 36-37. A photo overlooking the countryside--but where? In the foreground is a fashionable crowd. A scene like you might see on a Sunday afternoon from the first half of the twentieth century. Then there are the images of Paul and Bill in stylized clouds. 38. The newspaper: Paul is dead...
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Post by -Wings- on Aug 29, 2005 4:53:05 GMT -5
It certainly looks like both the body hanging out of the car and the picture of Paul's face are wet. Like they were rained on.
I wonder if there's any day-by-day records of the weather in Lancashire in September 1966 (and I'm only partially kidding).
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Post by pennylane on Aug 29, 2005 6:00:51 GMT -5
I wonder if there's any day-by-day records of the weather in Lancashire in September 1966 (and I'm only partially kidding). lol.. the only problem is it rains 90% of the time in the UK, so I don't think we'll get anything interesting there
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Post by -Wings- on Aug 29, 2005 7:49:02 GMT -5
Ah, but he's drenched, so then we can probably narrow it down to the UK. Or Seattle... Anyway... I can't get this image out of my head. It could be him. This could be our Holy Grail, or it could just be another image put in this slideshow meant to imply Paul's accident and not actually be him. Now, what can we discern from it? The quality is pretty poor, but he's obviously soaking wet. He also looks to be covered with blood, mostly evident on his left side (which, is also where it looks to be on his face in this picture) So, let's just say the first picture is Paul, and was taken right before the second one there. It seems like the extent of his injuries (at least with external lacerations) occured on his left-hand side. Now, what's going on in the picture? Was he trying to climb out of the car? Did he get forcibly thrown through the window when it crashed? He looks to be hanging pretty far out of it. What kind of car is it to begin with? I'm not a car guy, so all I can make out is it's white. I wonder...
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Aug 29, 2005 9:19:57 GMT -5
there must be some way of getting this film in better quality!
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Post by -Wings- on Aug 29, 2005 14:55:29 GMT -5
Concerning the nature of it, and if these pictures are actually what we believe them to be, then it's a miracle we have them in any quality at all.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 29, 2005 18:44:57 GMT -5
JGD I appreciate your analysis of the stills, very interesting. There are so many things flashing by during those short few minutes, I though hey why not some more. These are from the 'Help!' sequence. Sorry if I went nuts with so many, but in light of what followed, you have to wonder, no not just wonder, assume it's a good bet that there is some deliberate planning here. Unused footage from Help of Paul (?) racing car around a track. Two stills of a tank being blown up, was this is the movie? I don't recall, but it's totally obliterated. Just a good shot of Paul. Of course the bald guy became the new "sacrifice" after Ringo finally got the sacred ring off his finger. Ringo in the trunk of car, kidnapped by the bad guys, being rescued by George here. Interesting, this cartoon mouth screaming HELP! is shown over and over.. Some kind of demon? No idea. Couple of cowboys.. Aesop's fable if I have it right, the mouse who took the thorn out of the lion's paw, and therefore the lion was in the mouse's dept? A lion man again, hmm they did that one in MMT as well. Playing a guitar right handed, so may not mean much.. Looks almost like Charlie's Angels here, although I would assume that came later, but this film doesn't seem to have a copyright year. However.. I would be remiss if I didn't mention the similarity that I believe i see to the woman purported to be Sylvie (Fylvie) in the latter years of the 60's. (the blonde) Cupid.. Missing right eye in this wood carving Paul again Couple of still from the Swiss Alps scene. Who is this couple? They were shown dancing the waltz (?) Don't know what's up with the dogs, of course John once said "a dog's life ain't fun". (Crippled Inside) Just a random thought.. Not actual prison bars I don't think, but it evokes them. A royal flush, note only the ten is red, the other hearts are black I'll do another batch at another time, I think it's just a good idea to have this on the table, someone may discern some meaning from all this..
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Aug 30, 2005 15:15:04 GMT -5
Used photoshop to copy one half of the man's face, flip it horizontal, and fuse together a full-face profile. It's not perfect, but gives some idea of what he looks like.
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Post by JoJo on Sept 4, 2005 17:52:18 GMT -5
One more still that is pretty clear:
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Post by pennylane on Sept 4, 2005 23:00:36 GMT -5
perhaps a query to the director could be useful?
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Post by JoJo on Sept 5, 2005 0:57:14 GMT -5
Yeah this one may be hard to track down, and you just know he will say it was some creative stream of consciousness thing. While I believe in that sort of thing, putting a "Paul is dead" newspaper headline is not something like that, it's deliberate planning. I'll try to look around for some way of contacting anyway, why not? Or if you get there first PL, by all means. The above photo made me think of "The Royal Seal"
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Post by gumbootwalrus on Sept 27, 2005 12:42:31 GMT -5
Hi. I'm new to the board. I joined because I had to respond to this clip. I saw it, and had a flashback of mammoth proportions!
I grew up on Long Island, and was a huge second generation Beatle fan (born in 1969). By the time I was 7, I couldn't get enough of the Beatles. One day my father told me that we were going to the movies, but he didn't tell me what movie. He said it was a big surprise. The year must have been 1976, because I remember Rocky just coming out, and thinking that was what we would be seeing. We pull up to this theater somewhere in Nassau County, and sure enough I see ROCKY in big letters on the marquee. This theater had 2 screens, though (multiplex for the day I guess). The other film was called "The History of The Beatles". I flipped! I was so excited, and couldn't get my popcorn, and to my seat fast enough!
The film was basically the Anthology without all the personal interviews. It spanned their entire career with a big focus on their movies, Ed sullivan, and the Shea Stadium concert (which was cool for me being that I grew up very near Shea, and was a big Mets fan). My father was not a Beatles fan, but sat through most of the film with me (he made it up to the Walrus sequence in MMT and had enough. We left after that).
Here is where the flashback comes in. The introduction of the film was the clip at the beginning of this post! As I started watching it today, it all came flooding back to me. I could almost tell what was coming before I saw each scene. I remember when I first saw it at age 7, something about that whole opening sequence was unnerving. It had a very eerie quality to it, right from the get go with the cartoon and the "Can you take me back" cut from the White Album.
2 particular scenes I remember really sort of disturbed me. One was the doctored pic of the Beatles as old men in the "Yesterday" sequence. The pic kind of shocked me at the time. I thought it was real! The other scene was the entire "A Day in the Life"sequence. I remember seeing the body hanging out of the car, and the shot of "dead" Paul with his eyes closed. I didn't understand it as I was watching it, but I remember a queasy feeling in my stomach. When the Paul McCartney Dead headline flashed on screen, I distinctly remember the chill shoot up my spine! I anxiously asked my Dad if Paul McCartney was dead, and if that was him in the car crash pictures. My father told me Paul was alive, and it was all part of a stupid story someone made up. I couldn't shake that scene from my head for days, though. Finally my older brother clued me on the PID story, and started showing me the clues. It was really freaky, but I was hooked.
This intro movie had been buried deep in the recesses of my brain until today. Does anyone remember the movie I'm talking about, or remember seeing it in NY in 1976? I can find no mention of it anywhere online. I'm sorry that this post is so long, but I hope it helps someone track down the origin of this strange film.
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Post by JoJo on Sept 29, 2005 15:46:21 GMT -5
Sorry I took a while to answer you, been a little busy. This sounds like what I have, only it's called "Introducing the Beatles". Interesting that it was a theater release, must have missed it. Seems more like something that should have been a TV special, but I guess that's how it was done back then.
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Post by jerriwillmore on Sept 18, 2006 12:52:26 GMT -5
I saw a video called "Cream of Beatles" in 1978 at a college by my boarding school. Was that the same thing? It was great!
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Post by lili on Sept 18, 2006 13:46:53 GMT -5
This is the 1st that I'm seeing this thread. This photo really bothered me also: Do you see the facial profile on the right side of the body ? His body is twisted. That doesn't look like a car, it looks like a piece of sheetrock. It looks like he's tangled in a trellis hanging over a piece of sheetrock. That photo is BEYOND weird ! Redlion wrote: That's weird, as it corresponds to Bill having lived in some north western state, near Canada. Onto the other photos that caught my attention: How did they get away with that ? Was it because they used a photo of Paul laughing ? I would love to see a clearer version of this photo/painting. It looks like coffins to me also. I think that the dog is meant to represent Paul. Did he bite the hand that fed him ? Was it because of this that he was shot down like a dog I agree that they made a deal with the devil. I would like very much for the above two photos to be Paul's finger & footprint. However, I find it hard to tell using the photos that I have for comparison. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] Why is this man crying ? Could it be for the life that he left behind ?
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Post by JoJo on Sept 18, 2006 17:30:23 GMT -5
I saw a video called "Cream of Beatles" in 1978 at a college by my boarding school. Was that the same thing? It was great! Yes, I found out later it is indeed Charles Braverman's Condensed Cream of the Beatles. Anyone want a collectable 16MM version? EbayI sure do, but he wants a bit much..
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Post by openmind on Sept 18, 2006 19:39:56 GMT -5
in addition to this post of your jojo great work btw, i just wanted to add that "a man and his car " was actual full titled "1:42.8-a man and his car" he was born 1942 18 june, the 1 and 8 give the day 18,42 gives year he was born 1942 now june may be pointed outby adding 4 and 2 but also could be that films length which was 15 minutes long. another point of interest on that is the film ends with the driver spinning out the car ...cheers Charles Braverman: www.imdb.com/name/nm0106015/Look at #23: The Making of 'Beatlemania' (1978) (TV) OMG scroll down to the bottom: 6-18-67 (1967) (Paul's birthday of course) It just gets weirder and weirder! Gary Rocklen has less about him at IMDB, but he's had a long career as a film editor it would seem: www.imdb.com/name/nm0734280/EDIT: click on the link for that 6-18-67 movie, you get a movie credited to George Lucas. Then, from there click on "1967" and you get a movie again by Lucas called "A Man and His Car" Edit again: I mean scroll down to a man and his car, sorry! This weird sh*t is freakin' me out, lol
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Post by openmind on Sept 18, 2006 19:47:49 GMT -5
also just to clarifywhen i said "he was born 1942 18 june" was refering to mccartney
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Sept 18, 2006 20:07:09 GMT -5
Looking at the image of the dangling body (Paul?) again, I noticed images of people in the murky darkness of the upper right corner. There appears to be the blonde girl in the blue dress from the strawberry fields video (reflect in John's glasses) and on the Abbey Road album. Other shadowy figures seem to appear in the merky darkness of that corner.... I'm not sure if it's intentional, or if it's one of those optical illusions which sometimes happens when an picture hasn't a high resolution. Of course, I've mentioned the image of the girl superimposed on the back of the body--she looks like Jane to me.
Also, let me just add that I think the image of the demon and the woman is from Luca Signorelli's painting, "The Damn Cast Into Hell".
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Post by tkp66 on Sept 18, 2006 20:53:33 GMT -5
Good find JoJo, just be careful Ah, but he's drenched, so then we can probably narrow it down to the UK. Or Seattle... Anyway... I can't get this image out of my head. It could be him. This could be our Holy Grail, or it could just be another image put in this slideshow meant to imply Paul's accident and not actually be him. Now, what can we discern from it? The quality is pretty poor, but he's obviously soaking wet. He also looks to be covered with blood, mostly evident on his left side (which, is also where it looks to be on his face in this picture) So, let's just say the first picture is Paul, and was taken right before the second one there. It seems like the extent of his injuries (at least with external lacerations) occured on his left-hand side. Now, what's going on in the picture? Was he trying to climb out of the car? Did he get forcibly thrown through the window when it crashed? He looks to be hanging pretty far out of it. What kind of car is it to begin with? I'm not a car guy, so all I can make out is it's white. I wonder...
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Post by JoJo on Sept 18, 2006 21:03:30 GMT -5
Good find JoJo, just be careful *Tsk* not to worry, but thanks for your concern. After all, I don't know anything firsthand, no? I think you are correct: Google
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Post by tkp66 on Sept 18, 2006 21:54:02 GMT -5
BTW: rotate the head shot to the right by 90* he is on the ground. Looks like twisted torn fingers under his head after you rotate it. Photobucket is doing repairs so I can't post it myself
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Sept 18, 2006 21:58:16 GMT -5
Why does this remind me of the all seeing eye of freemasonry and the masonic handshake? Were they truly behind the death of JPM? These are disturbing images and it's the first time I've seen this thread. If that isn't really JPM's body dangling from that wreckage and the following a "death mask" of JPM, I don't know what else it could be. It's just too eerie to be a "hoax" picture. This has to be real or else it would not evoke such morbid feelings from it.
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Post by tkp66 on Sept 18, 2006 22:42:34 GMT -5
Reminds me of John doing this:
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 19, 2006 8:42:44 GMT -5
For what it's worth: The heart line on the palm of the individual shaking the hand with the snake is not typical, and represents a person who doesn't allow his "heart" to get in the way of his plans; the type who could make a deal with the devil.
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