Video - alt take on ADITL

[il ras]

question for the guitar players:

are these specific chords?

[plastic paul]

That's an eight stringed instrument, most likely a mandolin.

I can imagine the first being some sort of F chord and the second would be F#, but thats based on an ordinary guitar.

[beatlies]

JPM's instrument, the bass, has four strings. The one in the picture has four strings, with each one identically DOUBLED. A statement, perhaps? Just a thought.

[lili]

That would make sense, beatlies. Leave it to those who were trying to give us clues to use their imagination like that !

[LOVELYRITA]

I never heard of a bass with double strings, but the idea of being a "double" does certainly show and like Lili said, of some intricate minds doing a deliberate plot, would make for an intensive clue to uncover.

Other things that stood out to me, was the winged lion...I'm not familiar with any myth or story of a winged lion. But the symbolism of a lion is of great power,or a leader (a king) and with wings, as if it were given wings to fly away...perhaps from a wicked world, or perhaps to fly away from secret..? It makes for an interesting clue here that JPM had great power and was given wings to fly....
But not all lions are depicted as brave, as the cowardly lion in the Wizard of Oz...So whether this symbol could be directly to the bravery/powerful/ruler of the jungle or the opposite such as Wizard of Oz...don't know...but I'm more apt to believe the former rather than the latter.

Another interesting image to me that stood out was the statue with an eye missing. I had done some research some time ago into mythology/ but for the pagans of those ancient times, it was their belief system. There was a god named Bacchus, and the Greeks called him Dionysius ( pardon the spelling) who was the god of drunkeness and debauchery, and of a good time....I don't know if this exact image was specifically associated with Bacchus/Dionysius, but that inference as to the lifestyle JPM lived...and that some revered him as a god...of sorts...that the symbolism of his death could have some connection with this "deity"..just seemed interesting for me to point out.

Now when I point these things out, I don't imply this as being something they purposely infused into their video, but something that strikes my attention. I don't want any reader to see this and think my posts are from some "insider" who knows for a fact these things as being "etched in stone". Because alot of unfamiliar readers to this forum may read some of my posts and wonder what is this person on? And some may think how whacko. But I point out what strikes my attention, or what is an opinion. This is not a smoking gun clue from an inside source, or a revelation from one of the prophets at TKIN...just an observation.



I wrote the first part of this post a couple of hours ago, went back to it and thought of this..."Hey bungalow Bill, what did you kill, bungalow Bill"? He went out tiger hunting, but maybe shot a lion instead? After all, deep in the jungle one may find the "king of the jungle" and shoot....

....just don't shoot me

[Doc]

ilras said:

question for the guitar players:

are these specific chords?

Mandolin?And how is a mandolin tuned....

[Doc]

www.thesession.org/discussions/display/6727/comments

A QUOTE FROM THERE:

Ok, long answer:

The inventors of the viola/mandola family of instruments (the actual correct names, violin means little viola and mandolin means little mandola) operated under the idea that insturments should match the classical vocal ranges.

Violin is a diminutive "pet" name for the soprano viola. It is called that because it is the viola whose pitch matches the soprano vocal range. What we now call the viola was orginally called the alto viola and we just call it viola for short, but the French went the other way (don't they always?) and still call it the alto for short. It is tuned CGDA.

Because it is pitched to the alto vocal range.

Viola means an "ola" played with a bow. Mandola means an "ola" played with the hand, as in manually. They are matched pairs of instruments. The mandola pitched just below the mandolin and tuned CGDA is the alto mandola, although, like the viola it may be shortened to a simple alto or mandola.

Calling it a tenor mandola is a common *error*; and one that is technically obvious if you know what alto and tenor mean.

The tenor range is an octave below the soprano range. The mandola so pitched is the tenor mandola and tuned GDAE, an octave below the soprano and commonly called an octave mandolin/mandola, but this is as common "folk" name. Interestingly calling it an octave mandolin *is* techncially correct in the sense that tenor means an octave below soprano, but octave mandola is not because the "octave" part is stripped of any relative reference, rendering the term meaningless.

The tenor viola enjoyed a very brief spark of life and then died. Now it is back as the "octave violin," but is properly the tenor viola.

By the way, the bass viola is a perfectly valid traditional Irish instrument, although it never gained popularity and its use eventually died out. Frankie Gavin and company were perspecacious in its use. It was always a mainstay of Scottish music and frequently used in Irish/ Scottish/"Oldtimey" music in America, until the piano displaced it as the prefered backing instrument with a bass range and then the double bass.

The derision which it is frequently accorded in modern "traditional" Irish settings is based on missunderstanding and, I think, a great tragedy. Cello is wonderful.

[Mellow Yellow]

Thats 8 strings....

Being a left handed bass player (one of the few apparently) I ran accross this little number once while shopping for my next weapon er.... guitar....

[JoJo]

I mentioned before I bought the 16MM film version of this, it's a lot sharper, although the colors have faded a bit. Got a hold of a projector, and I thought I'd take a still picture of this:



Not easy, because this projector doesn't allow you to freeze. (so as to keep the lamp from melting the film, there are some that are specially designed for film study which allow this) I had to time this just right, here is a somewhat sharper version:



And a bigger version if you like: LINK

[LOVELYRITA]

Yikes! A row of corpses in coffins.....What creepy imagery.
Is this a clue as to where they first saw JPM's remains?
Truly sad...

[plastic paul]

Without a doubt coffins, but I think perhaps people need to be reminded that this isn't a production by the Beatles, just somebody else's take on the song, however if someone has made this they must have known about the whole conspiracy.

[JoJo]

Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7Bq05oPt_o

Part 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLpRlT-RW3U

Part 2 has the section from the stills i posted for the most part. Part 1 starts with the Apple Films logo/intro, but just to clarify, the actual celluoid version doesn't have that, someone must have edited that in. (or not, perhaps it was cut from the film, ya never know)

Inside the case, it states the date of production as 1973, and that it was made by "Pyramid Films" (with a cute Pyramid logo) Anyway Plastic Paul is correct that it's not a Beatles production, at least not officially.

[il ras]

JoJo, can u post the pyramid logo, please?

[LOVELYRITA]

Maybe not officially a "Beatles" project...but the imagery comes to mind of someone who knew about it. It's not just an "artsy" film that some film student put together for a college project of an interesting song. Or some piece done from happenstance. The imagery is too related to PID/PWR themes. IMO

[lili]

LR, I agree. Jo, are you going to try to get the 16MM film & copy it onto the computer? I would LOVE to see the whole thing.

[JoJo]

I would actually love to copy this, because the quality would still be better than anything out there, in spite of the color issues. But, you really need a special "telecine" machine for this, or perhaps use a camcorder to tape the projection, although that usually ends up looking like crap. There are places that will convert film to digital, though I don't know if they would for copyrighted material like this. Anyway, I may figure out something eventually.

Sorry, i should have said outside the film can is the pyramid logo, like so:

[lili]

What a find. I'm surprised that it's packaged as an educational tool.

[Jai Guru Deva]

According to their site, Pyramid's been around since 1960 and a leading distributor of award-winning short films and videos produced primarily for the educational market. Well, I'll say it's educational all-right!

Pyramid Media

[JoJo]

A little something to blow the kids' minds, nice! ;D

[LOVELYRITA]

That would be something educational for sure! The cheesey school films I remember seeing were like those 1950's style instructional films, and being in school in the 70's really showed how outdated the material really was.

Perhaps the educational film budget was quite minimal in those days. But a case of them for the bargain price and use them for 25 years!

[The Duke of Spiders]

When I saw this at the Chicago Beatlefest in 1980 it definitely had the Apple films logo, I remember it very well.

[JoJo]

The original Iamaphoney:

Cream of the Beatles Part 1

Cream of the Beatles Part 2

(New links)

[mommybird]

Jo, thank you so much for posting those new links. I always have a hard time gaining access to JoJo's Place. Watching this video was a breeze ! Wow ! ;D

[The Deceptionist]

ok.. firstly- macca with Dorothy Rhone



ive just spent an age working out where i saw this - very similar photos and possibly the one that wings was reminded of?

wings said:

Oh my God. I've got chills.



My mind is drawing a blank. What picture is this from?

and secondly...

lovelyrita said:

jojo said:

Why does this remind me of the all seeing eye of freemasonry and the masonic handshake?

Were they truly behind the death of JPM?

These are disturbing images and it's the first time I've seen this thread.

YES!! thank you. first thing that sprang to mind when I saw the hands was the Masonic handshake, the serpent is often used as a symbol representing freemasonry or the 'brotherhood of the serpent/snake' i believe and the eye - is it the same eye shown on the traffic light? - looks again like the serpentine all-seeing eye that you can see on the back of the American dollar, atop the pyramid..

curiouser and curiouser...

[jarvitronics]

It is probably time to re-remind everybody, as JoJo and others have done before in this thread, that this film, like the Rotten Apple series, is not known to be connected to The Beatles organization in any way. To read anything into the images in the film would be like chasing snipes.

-j