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Post by B on May 3, 2008 12:53:21 GMT -5
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Post by ithinkiknow on May 4, 2008 0:38:58 GMT -5
Wasn't the photo of shown of the dead man hanging over something shown to be from a book on navy people? I can't find a reference to it now, but I thought I saw that somewhere.
Just because the ball and lion doesn't specifically relate to his death, it could mean that place is still significant!!
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Post by iameye on May 5, 2008 23:04:27 GMT -5
Wasn't the photo of shown of the dead man hanging over something shown to be from a book on navy people? I can't find a reference to it now, but I thought I saw that somewhere. Just because the ball and lion doesn't specifically relate to his death, it could mean that place is still significant!! perhaps, it's been pretty debunked though, as with the "pool" photo,,,,anyone who knows a source for these two photos could post... perhaps the dead man photo is an example of a death, in which a upside down..and gruesome..... hanging death is done.....this metaphorical? who knows? the other famous "wet hair" photo was actually cropped from the pool still. The graphic framing the shot had the checkerboard hall way motif. A real photo of a real "alive person" not really dead..,,,,,,,metaphorical also? who knows? |
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Post by JoJo on Jul 24, 2008 16:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by sun on Oct 5, 2008 21:44:18 GMT -5
The winged lion is actually a Griffin, or as it is spelled in Lewis Carroll’s Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, a Gryphon. This has it's roots in ancient Sumer. The Griffin represents the God of the Underworld (Hydra) or God of the Tree, the serpent God or dragon.
The tree of life is a strand of DNA (entwined snakes) coiled around a rod (tree) guarded by winged lions. It is also known as a Caduceus, symbol of medicine to this day. This is the same symbolism used by Moses in the Bible in the wilderness. However, the symbol and tales of Sumer are far older than the supposed time of Moses. Gilgamesh (half god, half man) was related to this god. Down through history, the names change in different cultures, the story remains the same. As the story goes, the rod of Moses healed people bitten by serpents.
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Post by iameye on Oct 5, 2008 21:52:42 GMT -5
Sun, are you talking about the winged lion balancing on a circus ball?
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Post by sun on Oct 5, 2008 22:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Oct 6, 2008 8:09:33 GMT -5
cross reference:  Griffins are normally known for guarding treasure.[ In antiquity it was a symbol of divine power and a guardian of the divine. the Sumerian god Ningizzida accompanied by two gryphons. It is the oldest known image of snakes coiling around an axial rod, dating from before 2000 BCE.   lol  |
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Post by iameye on Oct 6, 2008 16:29:22 GMT -5
for some reason, I was actually thinking of this image prior to these posts, especially the ball which the "winged lion " is holding.... Chapter X The Lobster Quardrille
The Mock Turtle sighed deeply, and drew the back of one flapper across his eyes. He looked at Alice, and tried to speak, but for a minute or two sobs choked his voice. `Same as if he had a bone in his throat,' said the Gryphon  : and it set to work shaking him and punching him in the back. At last the Mock Turtle recovered his voice, and, with tears running down his cheeks, he went on again:--
`You may not have lived much under the sea--' (I haven't,' said Alice)--`and perhaps you were never even introduced to a lobster- -' (Alice began to say `I once tasted--' but checked herself hastily, and said `No, never') `--so you can have no idea what a delightful thing a Lobster Quadrille is!'
`No, indeed,' said Alice. `What sort of a dance is it?'
`Why,' said the Gryphon, `you first form into a line along the sea-shore--'
`Two lines!' cried the Mock Turtle. `Seals, turtles, salmon, and so on; then, when you've cleared all the jelly-fish out of the way--'
`THAT generally takes some time,' interrupted the Gryphon.
`--you advance twice--'
`Each with a lobster as a partner!' cried the Gryphon.
`Of course,' the Mock Turtle said: `advance twice, set to partners--'
`--change lobsters, and retire in same order,' continued the Gryphon.
`Then, you know,' the Mock Turtle went on, `you throw the--'
`The lobsters!' shouted the Gryphon, with a bound into the air.
`--as far out to sea as you can--'
`Swim after them!' screamed the Gryphon.
`Back to land again, and that's all the first figure,' said the Mock Turtle, suddenly dropping his voice; and the two creatures, who had been jumping about like mad things all this time, sat down again very sadly and quietly, and looked at Alice.
`It must be a very pretty dance,' said Alice timidly.
`Would you like to see a little of it?' said the Mock Turtle.
`Very much indeed,' said Alice.
`Come, let's try the first figure!' said the Mock Turtle to the Gryphon. `We can do without lobsters, you know. Which shall sing?'
`Oh, YOU sing,' said the Gryphon. `I've forgotten the words.'
So they began solemnly dancing round and round Alice, every now and then treading on her toes when they passed too close, and waving their forepaws to mark the time, while the Mock Turtle sang this, very slowly and sadly:--
`"Will you walk a little faster?" said a whiting to a snail."There's a porpoise close behind us, and he's treading on my
tail.
See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance!
They are waiting on the shingle--will you come and join the
dance?
Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the
dance?
Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the
dance?
"You can really have no notion how delightful it will be
When they take us up and throw us, with the lobsters, out to
sea!"
But the snail replied "Too far, too far!" and gave a look
askance--
Said he thanked the whiting kindly, but he would not join the
dance.
Would not, could not, would not, could not, would not join
the dance.
Would not, could not, would not, could not, could not join
the dance.
`"What matters it how far we go?" his scaly friend replied.
"There is another shore, you know, upon the other side.
The further off from England the nearer is to France--
Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but come and join the dance.
Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, will you join the
dance?
Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the
dance?"'
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Post by iameye on Oct 6, 2008 16:50:48 GMT -5
so perhaps helter skelter tells of this Gryphon relationship and dance:
what's the treasure?
When I get to the bottom
I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn
and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you don't you want me to love you
I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you
Tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
and you may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
Go helter skelter
helter skelter
helter skelter
Yeah, hu, hu
I will you won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
Look out
Helter skelter
helter skelter
helter skelter
Yeah, hu, hu
Look out cause here she comes
When I get to the bottom
I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn
and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Well will you won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer
Look out
Helter skelter
helter skelter
helter skelter
Yeah, hu,
Helter Skelter
She's coming down fast
Yes she is
Yes she is
coming down fast
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Post by sun on Oct 6, 2008 18:57:46 GMT -5
Excellent research, iameye! There is the photo from the Braverman video of the eye flap... "The Mock Turtle sighed deeply, and drew the back of one flapper across his eyes." `You may not have lived much under the sea--' (I haven't,' said Alice)--`and perhaps you were never even introduced to a lobster- -' (Alice began to say `I once tasted--' but checked herself hastily, and said `No, never') `--so you can have no idea what a delightful thing a Lobster Quadrille is!' I'd like to be, under the sea In an octopus' garden in the shade He'd let us in, knows where we've been in his octupus' garden, in the shade. I'd ask my friends to come and see An octopus' garden with me I'd like to be under the sea In an octopus' garden in the shade. We would be warm, below the storm In our little hideaway beneath the waves Resting our head, on the sea bed In an octopus' garden near a cave We would sing and dance around because we know we can't be found I'd like to be under the sea In an octopus' garden in the shade We would shout and swim about The coral that lies beneath the waves (Lies beneath the ocean waves) Oh what joy for every girl and boy Knowing they're happy and they're safe (Happy and they're safe) We would be so happy you and me No one there to tell us what to do I'd like to be under the sea In an octopus' garden with you In an octupus' garden with you In an octupus' garden with you. Eight Arms to Hold You en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Arms_to_Hold_You |
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Post by sun on Oct 6, 2008 21:44:47 GMT -5
BTW, The last link is only because I like the women in the band, oh yeah, and the album cover.
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Post by iameye on Oct 7, 2008 8:16:49 GMT -5
slightly interesting: Genesis 11:1 (-9)
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech"
"And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for mortar. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children built. 6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do; and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
Marduk, lol. ;D
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Post by sun on Oct 7, 2008 14:41:21 GMT -5
I love ancient history and tales of old. It's my bag. Marduk, the bringer of war. Clever. Funny thing, the OId Testament, there were twin gods, one good who saved man, the other set to destroy him. The Sumerian texts are eye opening.
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Post by iameye on Oct 8, 2008 8:22:32 GMT -5
I love ancient history and tales of old. It's my bag. Marduk, the bringer of war. Clever. Funny thing, the OId Testament, there were twin gods, one good who saved man, the other set to destroy him. The Sumerian texts are eye opening. Marduk = Nimrod = Babel Tower/ Ziggerat "Nimrod figures in some very early versions of the history of Freemasonry, where he was said to have been one of the fraternity's founders. According to the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry: The legend of the Craft in the Old Constitutions refers to Nimrod as one of the founders of Masonry. Thus in the York MS., No. 1, we read: " At ye making of ye toure of Babell there was a Masonrie first much esteemed of, and the King of Babilon yt called Nimrod was a Mason himself and loved well Masons."" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod_(king) |
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Post by Girl on Oct 8, 2008 8:58:10 GMT -5
Have I told you lately that I love you? ;D I'm so glad more and more people are finding out and the fate of the world doesn't rest on only my shoulders! jkz I take it most have already seen the various comparisons of the Tower of Babel to the UN on YT and such? |
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Post by iameye on Oct 8, 2008 9:10:12 GMT -5
Have I told you lately that I love you? ;D I'm so glad more and more people are finding out and the fate of the world doesn't rest on only my shoulders! jkz I take it most have already seen the various comparisons of the Tower of Babel to the UN on YT and such? uh, no, what? and no girl, you don't have to carry the weight alone ;D pope and his Ziggurat layer cake: www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/04/images/20080416_d-0615-1-515h.html |
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Post by iameye on Oct 8, 2008 10:30:25 GMT -5
Magical Mystery Tourtour (French)Noun, feminine (a) tower; la Tour Eiffel the Eiffel Tower; la Tour de Londres the Tower of London; la Tour penchée de Pise the Leaning Tower of Pisa; la Tour de Babel the Tower of Babel; line of persons or things ranged one behind the other, in chess- castle, rook tour: Noun, masculine: turn, revolution Middle English, a turn, from Old French (influenced by tourner, to turn about), from Latin tornus, lathe; see turn.]  waiting/hoping to take you away www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAGZ630vts
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Oct 8, 2008 11:24:07 GMT -5
Magical Mystery Tourtour (French)Noun, feminine (a) tower; la Tour Eiffel the Eiffel Tower; la Tour de Londres the Tower of London; la Tour penchée de Pise the Leaning Tower of Pisa; la Tour de Babel the Tower of Babel; line of persons or things ranged one behind the other, in chess- castle, rook tour: Noun, masculine: turn, revolution Middle English, a turn, from Old French (influenced by tourner, to turn about), from Latin tornus, lathe; see turn.] waiting/hoping to take you away So, you've got the lads dancing in their white suits, on the Magical Mystery Tower of Babel. I like this line of thinking, i. |
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Post by sun on Oct 8, 2008 11:46:55 GMT -5
You boys and girls have such vivid imaginations. I admire that.  Marduk chief god of his time is symbolized by planet Mars. Nimrod was the builder of the first city, the tower, and the grandson of Noah. People were fabled to live hundreds of years in those days due to the angelic DNA coursing through their veins, half-god and half man. The biblical Abraham was 65 years old when Noah died, to put this in perspective. The true origins of Christmas and Easter, and the fertility rites involved, stems from the union of Nimrod and his wife, Semiramis (worshipped to this day. queen of heaven, substituted by Mary), and their son, Tammuz who died and was resurrected on the third day. He symbolizes the rebirth of the Sun. People have always bowed to the risen sun regardless of the mask put on by the fashion and customs of the day. In the OId Testament, it is written, the women facing the east were weeping for Tammuz at the Temple which angered Yahve. The tale spreads after the fall of the tower of Babel to other nations, tongues, and lands. The only difference, the names of the players in those tongues. Marduk and Astarte were incarnations of Nimrod and Semiramis in the Sumerian texts. The two twin gods and brothers were Enlil and Enki. Enlil the god angered by mankind and he set to destroy them in a flood. Enki, having mercy. rescued mankind by having a man build a boat saving his family against his brothers wishes. This is why the Bible is so confused on the god of the Torah and the days before the new covenant. Man and woman were genetically engineered, as depicted in the rocks clay fired tablets shown as the Caduceus. This brings us to where Paul fits into this...sorry, I just ramble on at times. The Masons have protected the key of knowledge for an age. Guess you can tell I dig this stuff. I've been reading more of your posts and your handiwork with photos, iameye, impressive to say the least. I'm new here so it is rude not to say hello. What an intelligent group. Wotcha... |
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Post by iameye on Oct 8, 2008 11:53:37 GMT -5
You boys and girls have such vivid imaginations. I admire that. Marduk chief god of his time is symbolized by planet Mars. Nimrod was the builder of the first city, the tower, and the grandson of Noah. People were fabled to live hundreds of years in those days due to the angelic DNA coursing through their veins, half-god and half man. The biblical Abraham was 65 years old when Noah died, to put this in perspective. The true origins of Christmas and Easter, and the fertility rites involved, stems from the union of Nimrod and his wife, Semiramis (worshipped to this day. queen of heaven, substituted by Mary), and their son, Tammuz who died and was resurrected on the third day. He symbolizes the rebirth of the Sun. People have always bowed to the risen sun regardless of the mask put on by the fashion and customs of the day. In the OId Testament, it is written, the women facing the east were weeping for Tammuz at the Temple which angered Yahve. The tale spreads after the fall of the tower of Babel to other nations, tongues, and lands. The only difference, the names of the players in those tongues. Marduk and Astarte were incarnations of Nimrod and Semiramis in the Sumerian texts. The two twin gods and brothers were Enlil and Enki. Enlil the god angered by mankind and he set to destroy them in a flood. Enki, having mercy. rescued mankind by having a man build a boat saving his family against his brothers wishes. This is why the Bible is so confused on the god of the Torah and the days before the new covenant. Man and woman were genetically engineered, as depicted in the rocks clay fired tablets shown as the Caduceus. This brings us to where Paul fits into this...sorry, I just ramble on at times. The Masons have protected the key of knowledge for an age. Guess you can tell I dig this stuff. I've been reading more of your posts and your handiwork with photos, iameye, impressive to say the least. I'm new here so it is rude not to say hello. What an intelligent group. Wotcha... hey sun, Thanks, Hello, and we welcome your arrival. ;D  Cellophane flowers of yellow and green,
Towering over your head.
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she's gone.www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdcsK0NM6gBobby D "There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Oct 8, 2008 12:19:41 GMT -5
Here's a thought that's not quite fully-formed, as I'm at work, but here goes: Could The Beatles (the original four) have been the modern day Babel, in that they and their music were a pure force, uniting humanity in a single language of music? After the corruption of The Beatles (symbolized by the black carnation), it was determined that the uniting language of music had been corrupted as well, and the tower (The Beatles) were smashed, which once again "scattered the people throughout the earth." EDIT:
Speaking of carnations... I just discovered that carnations were known as " Jove's Flower" in ancient Rome. Jove was also known as JUPITER. Marduk (mentioned by sun) was the Babylonian equivalent of Jupiter. Jupiter had TWIN sons named Romulus and Remus. Romulus and Remus founded Rome. Romulus then KILLED HIS TWIN in a dispute over who would be Rome's leader. And oh freaking Argh! I have to go to a meeting. WORK!!!!!!!  EDIT #2:Our good friend Herodotus connects Jupiter, Marduk, and Babel for us, so its NOT crazy to suggest that the Beatles' carnations in MMT WERE a tribute to Jupiter (Paul and Bill's father?), and a reference to Babel: In 440 BC, Herodotus wrote: "Babylon's outer wall is the main defence of the city. There is, however, a second inner wall, of less thickness than the first, but very little inferior to it in strength. The center of each division of the town was occupied by a fortress. In the one stood the palace of the kings, surrounded by a wall of great strength and size: in the other was the sacred precinct of Jupiter Belus, a square enclosure two furlongs [402 m] each way, with gates of solid brass; which was also remaining in my time. In the middle of the precinct there was a tower of solid masonry, a furlong in length and breadth, upon which was raised a second tower, and on that a third, and so on up to eight. The ascent to the top is on the outside, by a path which winds round all the towers. When one is about half-way up, one finds a resting-place and seats, where persons are wont to sit some time on their way to the summit. On the topmost tower there is a spacious temple, and inside the temple stands a couch of unusual size, richly adorned, with a golden table by its side. There is no statue of any kind set up in the place, nor is the chamber occupied of nights by any one but a single native woman, who, as the Chaldeans, the priests of this god, affirm, is chosen for himself by the deity out of all the women of the land.
This Tower of Jupiter Belus is believed to refer to the Akkadian god Bel, whose name has been hellenised by Herodotus to Zeus Belus. It is likely that it corresponds to the giant ziggurat of Marduk, an ancient ziggurat which was abandoned, falling into ruin due to earthquakes, and lightning damaging the clay. This huge ziggurat, and its downfall is thought by many academics to have inspired the story of the Tower of Babel."www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tower_of_Babel ;D |
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Post by iameye on Oct 8, 2008 19:57:15 GMT -5
Just because the ball and lion doesn't specifically relate to his death, it could mean that place is still significant!! well, thinking realistically about that "space" at the top of the tower, what do you supposse happened there? I mean these people weren't idiots... Swim after them!' screamed the Gryphon.
`Back to land again, and that's all the first figure,' said the Mock Turtle, suddenly dropping his voice; and the two creatures, who had been jumping about like mad things all this time, sat down again very sadly and quietly, and looked at Alice. I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn
and I go for a ride stop and turn and I go for a ride and I go for a I go for a ride go for a ride
go for a ride
go for a ride
Swim after them!
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Post by sun on Oct 8, 2008 22:05:22 GMT -5
 You are a trip, iameye Mirror, Mirror, on the wall, who is the phoniest one of all? Aye Matey ‘Ere There Be Pirates Talking! |
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Post by iameye on Oct 9, 2008 8:34:59 GMT -5
You are a trip, iameye Mirror, Mirror, on the wall, who is the phoniest one of all? Aye Matey ‘Ere There Be Pirates Talking! what did the mirror say, sun? pirate george sings www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zZgk0Wv0A |
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: and it set to work shaking him and punching him in the back. At last the Mock Turtle recovered his voice, and, with tears running down his cheeks, he went on again:--
You are a trip, iameye