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Post by B on Apr 8, 2008 12:55:51 GMT -5
Columbia being the record label, not the country. By the late 1960s, many record labels had an ambiguous identitiy, offering music of various styles.
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 8, 2008 13:03:46 GMT -5
OK I tracked down the contact info for my old teacher, and I called and wrote ...I'll keep you posted as to what he says?
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Post by iameye on Apr 8, 2008 13:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by malus on Apr 8, 2008 13:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by B on Apr 8, 2008 17:10:10 GMT -5
OK I tracked down the contact info for my old teacher, and I called and wrote ...I'll keep you posted as to what he says? Yes, it would be great to hear what he has to say. |
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 8, 2008 17:34:54 GMT -5
OK I tracked down the contact info for my old teacher, and I called and wrote ...I'll keep you posted as to what he says? Yes, it would be great to hear what he has to say. You should do what you can also to make sure that his recollection of what he observed in 1966 wasn't colored by anything that took place after 1966. Did he, by any chance, record his impressions in 1966 as they took place (it's extremely unlikely, I know, that he did so and that he still has what he recorded)? Did he remember, in 1969, that he had originally heard this in 1966? |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 8, 2008 18:45:08 GMT -5
Yes, it would be great to hear what he has to say. You should do what you can also to make sure that his recollection of what he observed in 1966 wasn't colored by anything that took place after 1966. Did he, by any chance, record his impressions in 1966 as they took place (it's extremely unlikely, I know, that he did so and that he still has what he recorded)? Did he remember, in 1969, that he had originally heard this in 1966? Good points. I'll ask. He was the kind of guy who had a check list for packing - very, very organized. So if there is a chance of some kind of documentation or even if told others back in the day, he's a decent bet (as remote as it sounds). |
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Post by iameye on Apr 9, 2008 13:00:03 GMT -5
Wiki: "Totem poles were never objects of worship. The association with "idol worship" was an idea from local Christian missionaries, who would have seen their association with Shamanism as being an occult practise." Elvis=evils He brought sexuality to the music, the Beatles brought religion and music together like the Shamens of old.  elvis on the door totem, tampered? |
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 9, 2008 15:31:22 GMT -5
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 All good children go to heaven This is Mormon doctrine. The Mormon church teaches that any child seven years or younger who dies goes to heaven automatically. Once you turn eight, you are fully eligible for hell. (This is why Mormons baptize their children when they turn eight.) The cover of Sgt Pepper has strong imagery depicting the Mormon temple ritual. Maybe I'll do a post on that some time. I have no idea what this Mormon stuff is doing in The Beatles work. Maybe it is just a coincidence, or maybe it has something to do with the Mormon church being the single largest "Masonic" organization in the world. -j |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 9, 2008 18:36:20 GMT -5
Here's what he wrote:
"Re. the Paul McCartney incident, you might actually remember more than I do! All I recall at this stage of my life is that sometime when I was between 15 and 16 years of age, whatever program I was watching (it might very well have been The Monkees) was interrupted by one of those “This just in” bulletins, and the news flash was that reports were coming in from London that indicated that a Beatle had been involved in a fatal car accident, and to tune in for the 11 pm news for more details. But the newscast that night had no further details on the story; it wasn’t even mentioned…(!) Given that I was not the only person watching TV that night who saw that bulletin, the rumors of McCartney’s death started to pick up steam beginning with the release of Sgt Pepper’s, and all the “clues” on its cover, and you know the rest.
If memory serves, The Monkees went on the air either in the fall of ’65 or ’66. I’m tempted to say that the news bulletin took place sometime in 1966, probably in either September or October, if not in the spring of that year. The only way that the bulletin could have taken place in the debut episode of The Monkees is if the show debuted in the fall of ’66, b/c I’m pretty sure that it didn’t happen before then. Hope that helps!
Talk to you soon,
F"
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Post by George Spiggott on Apr 9, 2008 19:49:52 GMT -5
Wiki: "Totem poles were never objects of worship. The association with "idol worship" was an idea from local Christian missionaries, who would have seen their association with Shamanism as being an occult practise." Elvis=evils He brought sexuality to the music, the Beatles brought religion and music together like the Shamens of old. elvis on the door totem, tampered? Post made on 05/04 re Elvis/Memphis Mafia connection at TKIN; 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=CelebRepl&action=display&thread=1098634039&page=2"What I find interesting, is Elvis' connection to the Memphis Mafia, & his association, (if any  ,) to Manson. Charliemanson.net have done a pretty good job recently, of dissecting & challenging a lot of the crime scene/ forensic/autopsy evidence in the Tate/LaBianca murder cases, pointing to a somewhat contrived, or at the very least, botched investigation. There is also the mention of a burned gate at Spahn ranch, which had Elvis' name daubed on it, (photos subsequently omitted from police evidence files,) & the suggestion of a possible Memphis Mafia link. It's a lengthy, but compelling read if anyone's interested, especially in light of the IAAP vids & a possible PID/PWR connection; www.charliemanson.net/bogus-and-doctored-crime-scene-photos-t41.html(ranch door photo pg 8, stuff on Elvis, The Beatles, Neil Young etc thruout) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydklAx7T544brief Manson interview clip. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Mafia " www.charlesmanson.net respectfully ask to request permission in writing, before using any text/images from their site, so that's why I can't expand on the link, sorry. |
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Post by B on Apr 9, 2008 20:34:06 GMT -5
jarvitronics wrote:
"I have no idea what this Mormon stuff is doing in The Beatles work. Maybe it is just a coincidence, or maybe it has something to do with the Mormon church being the single largest "Masonic" organization in the world."
-j
The "1234567 All good children go to heaven" is a rope-skipping ditty or nursery rhyme in England.
This is sourced somewhere else on this site.
Iburied Paul, thank you for posting your teacher's comments. That matches what I heard
from the people who had seen that Monkees show.
I seem to recall (though it may be my imagination) someone speculating that they thought
the Beatles announcement may have been some kind of gimmick, meaning that now the that
the Monkees were on TV, they were going to kick the Beatles' asses, but the person wasn't
suggesting it with any conviction. They were just trying to make sense of it.
It certainly doesn't sound as if it was anything that someone would actually have scripted into the show.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 9, 2008 20:58:39 GMT -5
Here's what he wrote: "Re. the Paul McCartney incident, you might actually remember more than I do! All I recall at this stage of my life is that sometime when I was between 15 and 16 years of age, whatever program I was watching (it might very well have been The Monkees) was interrupted by one of those “This just in” bulletins, and the news flash was that reports were coming in from London that indicated that a Beatle had been involved in a fatal car accident, and to tune in for the 11 pm news for more details. But the newscast that night had no further details on the story; it wasn’t even mentioned…(!) Given that I was not the only person watching TV that night who saw that bulletin, the rumors of McCartney’s death started to pick up steam beginning with the release of Sgt Pepper’s, and all the “clues” on its cover, and you know the rest. If memory serves, The Monkees went on the air either in the fall of ’65 or ’66. I’m tempted to say that the news bulletin took place sometime in 1966, probably in either September or October, if not in the spring of that year. The only way that the bulletin could have taken place in the debut episode of The Monkees is if the show debuted in the fall of ’66, b/c I’m pretty sure that it didn’t happen before then. Hope that helps! Talk to you soon, F" Funny thing the rumors. They didn't really start in the U.S. until '69 with Fred Labour and all that, but according to Bill Harry's McCartney book, started in Britain in early 1967. Assuming the memories of your teacher and of course LB are correct, what is the meaning or even intent? A news item squashed seems to be the most obvious. But I keep wondering about the "A Beatle" business, with no mention of a particular Beatle.. I guess I'm saying it sounds like a phony, planted item, since if they knew a "Beatle" was killed, it follows they know which one.. Why wait? ('til the news at 11) Planting a seed? Laying the foundation for the further dissemination of PID clues in the forthcoming Pepper? And how fitting to do so in a Beatles imitator TV show. |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 9, 2008 22:43:38 GMT -5
Here's what he wrote: "Re. the Paul McCartney incident, you might actually remember more than I do! All I recall at this stage of my life is that sometime when I was between 15 and 16 years of age, whatever program I was watching (it might very well have been The Monkees) was interrupted by one of those “This just in” bulletins, and the news flash was that reports were coming in from London that indicated that a Beatle had been involved in a fatal car accident, and to tune in for the 11 pm news for more details. But the newscast that night had no further details on the story; it wasn’t even mentioned…(!) Given that I was not the only person watching TV that night who saw that bulletin, the rumors of McCartney’s death started to pick up steam beginning with the release of Sgt Pepper’s, and all the “clues” on its cover, and you know the rest. If memory serves, The Monkees went on the air either in the fall of ’65 or ’66. I’m tempted to say that the news bulletin took place sometime in 1966, probably in either September or October, if not in the spring of that year. The only way that the bulletin could have taken place in the debut episode of The Monkees is if the show debuted in the fall of ’66, b/c I’m pretty sure that it didn’t happen before then. Hope that helps! Talk to you soon, F" Funny thing the rumors. They didn't really start in the U.S. until '69 with Fred Labour and all that, but according to Bill Harry's McCartney book, started in Britain in early 1967. Assuming the memories of your teacher and of course LB are correct, what is the meaning or even intent? A news item squashed seems to be the most obvious. But I keep wondering about the "A Beatle" business, with no mention of a particular Beatle.. I guess I'm saying it sounds like a phony, planted item, since if they knew a "Beatle" was killed, it follows they know which one.. Why wait? ('til the news at 11) Planting a seed? Laying the foundation for the further dissemination of PID clues in the forthcoming Pepper? And how fitting to do so in a Beatles imitator TV show. I took something totally different from his email: to me he recalled that it was probably the fall of 1966, and probably sept or oct. Since he knows nothing about the PID/PIR rumor other than what he believed in the 60s, I find this uncanny. It doesn't surprise me that they didn't mention the name of the specific Beatle since IMHO most people viewed them the Fab 4, and less and individuals then we see them now 40 years later. I may be saying that in too strong a way. This is just my gut feeling. My old teacher doesn't remember if it was the monkees tv show he was watching but I thought that's what he said in 1978. I very well could be wrong, but I do have a pretty good memory as you can see from the fact that I recalled the incident from 30 years ago :}} As for the rumors starting in 67 or later, I agree but this was BEFORE the rumor when the actual event might have happened and maybe even slightly before it was decided to cover it up. Once again I say this is all my theory based on nothing substantial. My teacher was also the first person I ever heard mention the "voice prints." That stuck in my head (right next to the ear wax). JoJo, I deeply appreciate your efforts. Writing in the tone you mean to write in is difficult at times so let me say: You are an awesome moderator, and if I in any way offended you with my comments above, please accept my apologies in advance. |
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 9, 2008 23:20:09 GMT -5
Funny thing the rumors. They didn't really start in the U.S. until '69 with Fred Labour and all that, but according to Bill Harry's McCartney book, started in Britain in early 1967. That is said to have resulted from the auto accident involving Mohammed Chtaibi. It may well have been, but I think that the rumor also ran on a separate track. In this forum, there was posted a story written by a New York Times columnist in 1969 (during the major PID furor) in which he stated that he had been told -- in mid-1967 -- by a Beatles insider that Paul McCartney had died in November 1966 and that Linda Eastman was unknowingly flirting with his replacement. This has also been explained -- by either Reeve or Patterson, I forget which (they both wrote books describing PID purely as an urban legend) -- as having resulted from the January 1967 Chtaibi accident. The trouble is, that January 1967 rumor died down quickly after had arisen and presumably, a Beatles insider would have known better. So I can't help but think that the "insider" quoted by the NYT columnist's got his or her info from some other source. It's not at all unusual for news programs to disclose as little information as possible in their trailers and as much information as is necessary to get people to watch. I'm not saying that I believe that this ever happened, though I am sure that iburiedpaul and his teacher are describing in good faith what they remember. But to my mind, there's nothing suspicious about a trailer for a news program to sound like this one is said to have sounded. |
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Post by JoJo on Apr 10, 2008 20:21:24 GMT -5
JoJo, I deeply appreciate your efforts. Writing in the tone you mean to write in is difficult at times so let me say: You are an awesome moderator, and if I in any way offended you with my comments above, please accept my apologies in advance. Don't worry, I'm not 'tone deaf'.  No offense, it was well stated. To be clear, I understand that your teacher's memories were from late '66, or rather that he remembers it from the Monkees show, which we know very well first aired on Sept. 12, 1966. If I seemed suspicious, it was not of his or LB's memories, no... It was the actual broadcast itself, and what it meant. If it was on the first Monkees' show, that is way too much of a coincidence, just gets my antenna up.. It seems like deliberate attempt to drop PID in the public's consciousness, and then run away. Further, this was during a show the grown-ups were nowhere near.. Just bugs me for some reason I can't put my finger on. Which made me think of "The Broadcast", which has nothing to do with this I suppose.. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=TAR&thread=1121808756&page=1 |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 10, 2008 20:44:33 GMT -5
JoJo, I deeply appreciate your efforts. Writing in the tone you mean to write in is difficult at times so let me say: You are an awesome moderator, and if I in any way offended you with my comments above, please accept my apologies in advance. Don't worry, I'm not 'tone deaf'. No offense, it was well stated. To be clear, I understand that your teacher's memories were from late '66, or rather that he remembers it from the Monkees show, which we know very well first aired on Sept. 12, 1966. If I seemed suspicious, it was not of his or LB's memories, no... It was the actual broadcast itself, and what it meant. If it was on the first Monkees' show, that is way too much of a coincidence, just gets my antenna up.. It seems like deliberate attempt to drop PID in the public's consciousness, and then run away. Further, this was during a show the grown-ups were nowhere near.. Just bugs me for some reason I can't put my finger on. Which made me think of "The Broadcast", which has nothing to do with this I suppose.. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=TAR&thread=1121808756&page=1that makes a lot of sense...and it makes me think (often dangerous activity) once again I am just throwing out a theory: if all of this stuff is true then there is a good chance the whole thing was planned as a ritualistic event. Dropping ideas into the outlets to kids that were available at the time - like tv and comic books - is an excellent way to push culture in a certain direction. In fact, the whole monkees concept could have easily been part of the equation. Remember people get confused about the specific bands. Even Purdie throws all those bands together, the monkees, the beatles, the byrds etc. if you wanted to have control, why not use these tools? Plus it explains the shitty tv show getting on the air <smirk> |
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Post by frozensquirrel on Apr 24, 2008 22:18:53 GMT -5
Didn't Paul get into a moped accident around the time of the first Monkees episode?
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 24, 2008 22:53:58 GMT -5
Didn't Paul get into a moped accident around the time of the first Monkees episode? The moped accident took place at some time during 1965. The first Monkees episode was broadcast in September 1966. |
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Post by MikeNL on Apr 25, 2008 9:36:41 GMT -5
Didn't Paul get into a moped accident around the time of the first Monkees episode? The moped accident took place at some time during 1965. The first Monkees episode was broadcast in September 1966. well, there's no way to trace back an original recording of that show of course... if there is an recording of that commercial interruption, that would be some awesome proof! |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 25, 2008 11:05:37 GMT -5
The moped accident took place at some time during 1965. The first Monkees episode was broadcast in September 1966. well, there's no way to trace back an original recording of that show of course... if there is an recording of that commercial interruption, that would be some awesome proof! There is virtually no chance that there is a recording of it. People didn't have home video back then. That's why it's so weird that we have a word-of-mouth history of it. Either it happened or it didn't. I am pretty sure it happened otherwise my teacher is a pathological lier or my memory of the level of his conviction is wrong. Let's just assume it happened as a means to explore the implications. or we could add it to the list of questions IAAP is going to answer any day now <smirk> |
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Post by JoJo on Apr 25, 2008 14:27:32 GMT -5
It's not entirely true that there was no way to record back then, that's why some video exists of the Tonight show appearance, albeit two years later.. Someone caught it with an 8mm home camera. Some other person recorded it on reel-to-reel audio tape, which was a fairly common item back then. (all we'd need is the audio anyway, so.. who knows?)
Actually, video recorders that were portable in a sense (they were huge) existed in 1966, I remember my father borrowing one back then from the University he was attending and bringing it home for a few days to wow everyone. Obviously they were rare and expensive.
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 25, 2008 14:39:33 GMT -5
The Mormon church teaches that any child seven years or younger who dies goes to heaven automatically. Once you turn eight, you are fully eligible for hell. This sounds good and all, if one wanted to convert and then have kids. Are there any guarantees? |
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Post by iburiedpaul on Apr 25, 2008 14:59:51 GMT -5
It's not entirely true that there was no way to record back then, that's why some video exists of the Tonight show appearance, albeit two years later.. Someone caught it with an 8mm home camera. Some other person recorded it on reel-to-reel audio tape, which was a fairly common item back then. (all we'd need is the audio anyway, so.. who knows?) Actually, video recorders that were portable in a sense (they were huge) existed in 1966, I remember my father borrowing one back then from the University he was attending and bringing it home for a few days to wow everyone. Obviously they were rare and expensive. They existed but were not for HOME use, which is not to say you didn't have one at home. My dad had one in the 1970s but he was in the business. the point is, in 1966 it was very rare which is why we don't have a complete video of the tonight show, and why it is so unlikely (statistically) that it exists. |
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Post by 65if2007 on Apr 25, 2008 16:01:52 GMT -5
www.tv.com/the-monkees/the-case-of-the-missing-monkee/episode/74651/summary.htmlThere's a Monkees episode where Davy poses as an accident victim in order to enable the others to sneak him into a hospital. Actually, the plot seems to borrow liberally from past Beatles movies. Is there any possibility that this particular episode simply included a newscast about a pop star being involved in an accident?
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No offense, it was well stated. 
