monkees tv show

[iburiedpaul]

when i was in high school one of my teachers swore he was watching the monkees tv show when there was an interruption during the broadcast that one of the beatles had been in an accident, and that details would follow. He said no details ever followed. it always stuck in my mind for some reason...does anyone know anything about this?

[B]

I heard about this once so long ago that I barely remember it at all, but I have a very faint memory
of having heard about such a thing.
It must have been at the time, and I probably heard about it from some school mates who
watched the show. (I didn't watch the Monkees.) I would have had to have been about 1415.
(After 10 minutes) Yes, it's coming back to me now a little bit. There was some discussion about it among my classmates who had been watching the show,
but since the announcement was never forthcoming, and only the people watching the show
had even heard about it, those of us who had not been, but who had heard the daily news on the
radio with nary a mention of such a thing, felt that it must have been only a "fender bender"
(no pun intended ) if it took place at all. Among those who had been watching, the conversation got
as far as "I wonder which one it was?"
But your teacher was right, iburiedpaul, it was never in the news again after that, so we all just forgot about it.
Wow! There's something that never ever would have come back to mind, had it not been for your post, iburiedpaul.

Are you still in touch with your high school teacher? (Or could you be?)

[JoJo]

Not saying this because I don't believe yout memory LB, and your teacher's IBP, I do but.. When did you ever hear a news story broken like that, where the specific person wasn't mentioned as a breaking news item? Why "one of the Beatles"? What does this mean?

[65if2007]

epguides.com/Monkees/

[MikeNL]

if this is true, why is it that nobody had heard about this ?

it's still strange though...

[65if2007]

jojo said:

Not saying this because I don't believe yout memory LB, and your teacher's IBP, I do but.. When did you ever hear a news story broken like that, where the specific person wasn't mentioned as a breaking news item? Why "one of the Beatles"? What does this mean?

Assuming that the recollection is accurate, it simply means that whoever broke the story had incomplete or unverified information.

In January 1967, weren't there PID rumors resulting from an accident involving an automobile that had been borrowed from Paul McCartney (or from whoever was Paul McCartney in January 1967) in which he himself had not been present?

Some people think that the 1969 rumors simply stemmed from the 1967 accident.

If this "breaking news" item really did happen, it might have simply been an aborted announcement of the 1967 accident.

And then again, it might not have.

[iburiedpaul]

jojo said:

Not saying this because I don't believe yout memory LB, and your teacher's IBP, I do but.. When did you ever hear a news story broken like that, where the specific person wasn't mentioned as a breaking news item? Why "one of the Beatles"? What does this mean?

that's exactly why it was weird. btw I did stay in touch with that teacher for a long time, although I have not seen him for years. I have never known him to fabricate anything, but I have to admit that when he was telling me that Paul was dead I thought he was nuts. he was telling the class that the voice "prints" were like finger prints and that they didn't match.

he is the kind of guy I am sure I will be in touch with again, but I have to find him again (which gets easier online). I'm not sure how much he could add, but it would be fun to talk about faul with him.

He also attended the Jimi Hendrix concert where Jimi opened for the Monkees. It was fun to hear about how the teeny boppers (how often do you get to use that term?) booed jimi off the stage.

[B]

Having spent a little time hanging around in the newsroom at WICB (Ithaca College) in 1969,
I recall the teletype machine banging away in the corner. AP or UPI stories would come in preceded
by a bell ringing according to the priority of the story.
If a story was "breaking", especially if it was of major interest, it would often come in dribs and drabs.
You would hear "Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding Ding!".
Then the machine would come to an ominous pause for 15 seconds or so, and a headline,
accompanied by a line or two of text would appear:

Adlai Stevenson reported dead. Long time diplomat and friend of 3 U.S. presidents is reported to
be dead in New York. (More to follow)

long pause

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!

Same opening sentence shown above, now followed by a few more sentences, then, abruptly, nothing.
A sentence ended midway through.

(Bells again)

Story coming through complete for two and a half paragraphs, then - silence.

(Bells again)

Entire article comes through.

This was the typical pattern for hot, breaking stories. I can imagine the Beatle story coming
through in a similar fashion.

(Bells)

Reports of an accident involving one of the Beatles

(ominous pause)

(Network newsroom clerk rips the page from the machine, and breaks into program with the news flash.)

Then....nothing.

Something like that. The story killed at the source.

[65if2007]

letterb1 said:

Having spent a little time hanging around in the newsroom at WICB (Ithaca College) in 1969, I recall the teletype machine banging away
in the corner. AP or UPI stories would come in preceded by a bell ringing according to the priority of the story.
If a story was "breaking", especially if it was of major interest, it would often come in dribs and drabs. You would hear "Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding Ding!".
Then the machine would come to an ominous pause for 15 seconds or so, and a headline, accompanied by a line or two of text
would then appear:

Adlai Stevenson reported dead. Long time diplomat and friend of 3 U.S. presidents is reported to be dead in New York. (More to follow)

long pause

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!

Same opening sentence shown above, now followed by a few more sentences, then, abruptly, nothing. A sentence ended midway through.

(Bells again)

Story coming through complete for two and a half paragraphs, then - silence.

(Bells again)

Entire article comes through.

This was the typical pattern for hot, breaking stories. I can imagine the Beatle story coming through in a similar fashion.

(Bells)

Reports of an accident involving one of the Beatles

(ominous pause)

(Network newsroom clerk rips the page from the machine, and breaks into program with the news flash.)

Then....nothing.

Something like that. The story killed at the source.

epguides.com/Monkees/

The very first Monkees episode was originally broadcast on September 12, 1966.

But Adlai Stevenson died on July 14, 1965 so you must be mistaken in your recollection of having seen a teletype detailing "breaking news" of his death in 1969.

[B]

I should have been clearer about that. I was at WICB after the Monkees show had run its course.
However the newsroom set up at radio and TV stations (even networks) was the same in 1966 - 1968
as it was in 1969 when I was in Ithaca. My point was that the story probably came in that way
at the time that whoever broke into the network broadcast made the announcement.
I have altered my post above a bit, deleting an eronneous time frame of when this broadcast would
have had to occur.

edit. I used the name Adlai Stevenson as a "for instance" of the kind of story that would come in that way. I didn't mean that to be bona fide. OK - Everett Dirksen.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_Dirksen

[65if2007]

letterb1 said:

I should have been clearer about that. I was at WICB after the Monkees show had run its course. However the newsroom set up at radio and TV stations (even networks) was the same in 1966- 1968 as it was in 1969 when I was in Ithaca. My point was that the story probably came in that way at the time whoever broke into the network broadcast made the announcement.

I think that we've both been modifying our respective posts and thereby creating endless confusion.

If your memory is a memory from 1969, it couldn't be a memory of "breaking news" concerning Adlai Stevenson's death since he died in 1965.

And it couldn't have been "breaking news" of a story that originally came out during an original broadcast of the Monkees (as opposed to a rerun).

Perhaps what you saw was a classic PID news item from 1969, shortly after Roby Yonge's famous broadcast on WABC in October of that year.

[65if2007]

letterb1 said:

I should have been clearer about that. I was at WICB after the Monkees show had run its course.
However the newsroom set up at radio and TV stations (even networks) was the same in 1966 - 1968
as it was in 1969 when I was in Ithaca. My point was that the story probably came in that way
at the time that whoever broke into the network broadcast made the announcement.
I have altered my post above a bit, deleting an eronneous time frame of when this broadcast would
have had to occur.

edit. I used the name Adlai Stevenson as a "for instance" of the kind of story that would come in that way. I didn't mean that to be bona fide. OK - Everett Dirkson.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_Dirksen

Oh OK, I think I catch on now.

[iburiedpaul]

Now that you mention it I think my teacher did say it was the first monkees episode, which must have been a big deal back when there were 3 stations

[B]

Well now, isn't that interesting!?

The Royal Flush
Episode Number: 1 Season Num: 1 First Aired: September 12, 1966

www.tv.com/the-monkees/the-royal-flush/episode/74636/summary.html

(And the Roby Yonge broadcast was October 20/21, 1969.)

[65if2007]

iburiedpaul said:

Now that you mention it I think my teacher did say it was the first monkees episode, which must have been a big deal back when there were 3 stations

If it's true, ibp, then all that I can say is:

[glow=red,2,300]"Wow"[/glow]

[iburiedpaul]

65if2007 said:

iburiedpaul said:

Now that you mention it I think my teacher did say it was the first monkees episode, which must have been a big deal back when there were 3 stations

If it's true, ibp, then all that I can say is:

[glow=red,2,300]"Wow"[/glow]

As I mentioned this is man who actually attended Monkees concerts, so I would fully expect him to have watched the first episode! And I remember him saying that when they said a Beatle was involved he said he stayed up to see the news (no internet!). I believe he said it was first episode,and that there was big build-up (TV Guide?) to the show. He gave the impression that he was shocked that there was no mention of it because I think he was expecting them to say, oh we made a mistake or it was a small accident and no one was seriously hurt.

This is one from sept 22:
www.kfcplainfield.com/tv/monktvg2.jpg

This is not the right issue because I think it's a Jan 1967 issue, but here's the link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=leDbrE97suw

also
members.tripod.com/~ahiii/season1/season1.html

I sort of dismissed it, but now it haunts me.

[65if2007]

iburiedpaul said:

65if2007 said:

If it's true, ibp, then all that I can say is:

[glow=red,2,300]"Wow"[/glow]

As I mentioned this is man who actually attended Monkees concerts, so I would fully expect him to have watched the first episode! And I remember him saying that when they said a Beatle was involved he said he stayed up to see the news (no internet!). I believe he said it was first episode,and that there was big build-up (TV Guide?) to the show. He gave the impression that he was shocked that there was no mention of it because I think he was expecting them to say, oh we made a mistake or it was a small accident and no one was seriously hurt.

This is one from sept 22:
www.kfcplainfield.com/tv/monktvg2.jpg

This is not the right issue because I think it's a Jan 1967 issue, but here's the link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=leDbrE97suw

also
members.tripod.com/~ahiii/season1/season1.html

I sort of dismissed it, but now it haunts me.

If the announcement really was made at the time of the first episode, then -- contrary to what I originally speculated -- it could not have been a reference to the automobile accident of January 7, 1967 involving Mohammed Chtaibi -- which is what some skeptics say was the original source of the 1969 PID rumors.

But on the other hand, why don't more people remember the aborted announcement that your high school teacher remembers?

[iburiedpaul]

65if2007 said:

iburiedpaul said:

As I mentioned this is man who actually attended Monkees concerts, so I would fully expect him to have watched the first episode! And I remember him saying that when they said a Beatle was involved he said he stayed up to see the news (no internet!). I believe he said it was first episode,and that there was big build-up (TV Guide?) to the show. He gave the impression that he was shocked that there was no mention of it because I think he was expecting them to say, oh we made a mistake or it was a small accident and no one was seriously hurt.

This is one from sept 22:
www.kfcplainfield.com/tv/monktvg2.jpg

This is not the right issue because I think it's a Jan 1967 issue, but here's the link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=leDbrE97suw

also
members.tripod.com/~ahiii/season1/season1.html

I sort of dismissed it, but now it haunts me.

If the announcement really was made at the time of the first episode, then -- contrary to what I originally speculated -- it could not have been a reference to the automobile accident of January 7, 1967 involving Mohammed Chtaibi -- which is what some skeptics say was the original source of the 1969 PID rumors.

But on the other hand, why don't more people remember the aborted announcement that your high school teacher remembers?

he said that other kids DID hear that report, but it was 40 years ago so that would explain the fact that not too many people remember it. The weird thing is that this second hand info stuck in MY head. believe me i dismissed it too, but I brought it up because I was thinking someone here might be able to verify it?

[B]

65if2007 wrote:
"But on the other hand, why don't more people remember the aborted announcement that your high school teacher remembers?"

Network signals were distributed somewhat like the internet is now, with regional centers
distributing the signals to the affiliates. Therefore the announcement most likely
would not have been heard outside of a 7 or 8 state area if it was made by someone in the
regional distribution system, and definitely would not have been heard west of the Mississippi,
as the network programing was staggered for the western states. If it came from New York though,
from headquarters, it would have been heard on all affiliates east of the Mississippi.

[malus]

The cartoon golems on the side of the cover interest me, why a red one-eye owl looking over Davie's (the Brit) Shoulder?

www.kfcplainfield.com/tv/monktvg2.jpg

[B]

Sometimes a totem pole is just a totem pole.

[malus]

Wiki:
"Totem poles were never objects of worship. The association with "idol worship" was an idea from local Christian missionaries, who would have seen their association with Shamanism as being an occult practise."

Elvis=evils

He brought sexuality to the music, the Beatles brought religion and music together like the Shamens of old.

[iburiedpaul]

letterb1 said:

65if2007 wrote:
"But on the other hand, why don't more people remember the aborted announcement that your high school teacher remembers?"

Network signals were distributed somewhat like the internet is now, with regional centers
distributing the signals to the affiliates. Therefore the announcement most likely
would not have been heard outside of a 7 or 8 state area if it was made by someone in the
regional distribution system, and definitely would not have been heard west of the Mississippi,
as the network programing was staggered for the western states. If it came from New York though,
from headquarters, it would have been heard on all affiliates east of the Mississippi.

this would have been new york, so that makes sense.

[iameye]

letterb1 said:

Sometimes a totem pole is just a totem pole.

...........it just depends on the artist (s) conception of said totem

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg

[malus]

The Columbian connection...

"By the late 1960s, Columbia had an ambiguous identity, offering old-fashioned fare like A Man for All Seasons and Oliver! along with the more contemporary Easy Rider and The Monkees. "