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Post by JoJo on May 22, 2004 18:18:01 GMT -5
Well, here's what i mean, it actually more like two months, the melody maker award was in early-mid September, and the Africa trip was mid November. From this: To this:
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Post by DarkHorse on May 22, 2004 18:20:46 GMT -5
mental disease, I lost my will to live really, it took me from October through Christmas to recover, its really why I spent so much time on PID, I needed to distract myself, I then got pneumonia, and had trouble with that, when I finally recovered around February, I slowing began to go back to routine, and lost focus on PID, focusing more on college and the job, I came down with the whole depressed-life needs to end thing again this month, but I knew what to do this time and I pulled out without incident, but I still lost alot of weight and it changed my attitude and body completely That is really unfortunate. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I hope you are doing better now and, like Jojo said, getting all the help available to you.
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Post by SimMHoward on May 22, 2004 18:22:08 GMT -5
I can honestly tell you even after all this time, and all the different pics posted, it still looks to me like the same man minus some fat, the chin still goes down in the same way, the eyes look the same(though its not very clear in these pics), the foreheads look the same in these two pics, except Paul has hair covering it, while "Faul" has it blown off of his forehead
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Post by DarkHorse on May 22, 2004 18:24:52 GMT -5
Well, here's what i mean, it actually more like two months, the melody maker award was in early-mid September, and the Africa trip was mid November. From this: To this: There's also something IN the eyes that is different. Not necessarily this pic but in general.
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Post by JoJo on May 22, 2004 18:36:52 GMT -5
It would be interesting I was thinking to do an "eyes quiz", just crop the eyes and see if I or others could tell who was who. Of course if I do the work, I can't take the quiz, hehe. ;D Oh well.. there will be some who look at the pics and swear they see a difference, and no amount of convincing will change their minds, and likewise with the opposite point of view. Same with the song clues, one point of view says joke or publicity stunt, and the other says it was a way of telling the true story. Makes it more interesting, who wants us all nod to in agreement, that would rather dull..
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Post by SimMHoward on May 22, 2004 20:43:53 GMT -5
It would be interesting I was thinking to do an "eyes quiz", just crop the eyes and see if I or others could tell who was who. Of course if I do the work, I can't take the quiz, hehe. ;D I can do that! First set, tell me which is Paul, we'll start off easy
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Post by JoJo on May 22, 2004 23:17:55 GMT -5
I hope I don't get a buzzer, baammmpp, wrong answer!! ;D
Ok the top is Paul and the bottom is Faul?
To establish the ground rules, for the purposes of this game, Paul is defined as a picture taken before mid sept. 1966, and Faul is of course any picture taken after. Sound OK?
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Post by SimMHoward on May 22, 2004 23:29:24 GMT -5
correct, when I make some more I'll post them, but I can't find the right pics for Faul
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Post by JoJo on May 22, 2004 23:34:14 GMT -5
Ok cool, whenever you can.
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Post by Doc on May 23, 2004 2:19:04 GMT -5
OK this is gonna sound stupid. But the word that comes to mind when Paul smiles, is that there is something "pert" about his smile. His features gather "up". When we smile, our facial muscularture works in concert (aren't there like 22 muscles in the face involved with smiling?) to create a "mask" that denotes pleasure, or delight, or humour. When that manifests on Paul, his features have this hard to describe quality of "pert delight". There was always a perky, almost elfin quality in the earliest pictures or vids of Paul smiling. There is glee in the face; there is Irish mirth. I am not using "pert" as connoting effeminacy or looking "gay" (whatever.......)
Nothing against Bill's smiles--------but the "mask" uplift , the work of the fascio-labio-whatever cheek muscles is as unique a human phenomenon as is voice sound or personality. We are not marble statues, people. We are not two dimensional images on photopaper. The face is a dynamic machine. Nature has designed it too allow us to communicate like the wonderful creations we each are. The movements of lines and contours that become habitual in an adult become easy to spot and remember between familiar adults. A face NOT in motion is one thing. A face captured in motion on a pic, or video, has a lot to say.
In short, there are artifacts of FACIAL MOVEMENT captured in most of the earliest pics of James Paul. These are becoming more and more familiar. Some of these traits, an eye "twinkle", full and firm muscle over the cheekbones), a nose that spreads and turns pert, a eye corner that creases or crinkles, lips that stretch and retain fullness, a chin that forms a distinct "knob", ears that look like curved handles on a mug; eyelids that turn down at different angles that look like a precious puppy; eye movements that are precociously wise but always in earnest. The look of innocence; in early early interviews, a childlike demeanor accompanies his replies. Patient and sympathetic; but never naive. Eye contact that is open, transparent.
These looks may mean nothing, as to the fact that people act as they are told in videos. But there is an expression on Paul's face in "Rain" and another in "Paperback Writer" that are serious and intense. They are both close-ups. I don't know what it could mean, who COULD know...........I have NEVER seen that sad look on Paul beyond that time period. Almost disturbing to see................
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Post by JoJo on May 23, 2004 9:19:42 GMT -5
Thanks Doc for a long description of what I do see, but have a hard time putting in to words. I believe the eyes are the windows to the soul, or to the infinite part of us, whatever you want to call it. Two dimensional picture or no, you start to realize there's another soul behind those eyes.
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Post by DarkHorse on May 23, 2004 9:50:43 GMT -5
Yes exactly JoJo. The eyes are the window to the soul and if you look in them you see two different people. Now I don't expect everyone to do this or for it to stand on its own as evidence, it's just another piece that makes it obvious for me.
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Post by revolver on May 23, 2004 13:09:07 GMT -5
Blur your eyes. Who does this look like? I have to admit that one frame did momentarily capture the essence of Paul's features. Not many photos of Faul did. But do you honestly see Paul's eyes here FP? For comparison:
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Post by FlamingPie on May 23, 2004 13:53:33 GMT -5
1) He's squinting cause it's sunny. or 2) He's high
His eyes aren't always like that, and you can see it's not the eye's natural expression. I just posted that pic because the shape of the head just seemed too similar to Paul's to be someone else. Take a look at the eyes in the white album pic and then compare.
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Post by revolver on May 23, 2004 16:51:07 GMT -5
1) He's squinting cause it's sunny. or 2) He's high His eyes aren't always like that, and you can see it's not the eye's natural expression. I just posted that pic because the shape of the head just seemed too similar to Paul's to be someone else. Take a look at the eyes in the white album pic and then compare. It's not because his eyes are partially closed. They just don't look like Paul's eyes to me. How about posting another one with his eyes fully open, for comparision. Here's Faul from the WA outtakes: I don't see Paul there either.
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Post by FlamingPie on May 23, 2004 21:42:32 GMT -5
Why not?
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Post by revolver on May 23, 2004 21:58:50 GMT -5
Because I've seen enough photos of Faul to recognize his eyes.
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Post by FlamingPie on May 23, 2004 22:05:44 GMT -5
Yeah, but the shape of the eyes, the higher eyebrow, the lower eye, the same.
Can you describe the differences you're seeing?
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Post by SimMHoward on May 23, 2004 22:06:57 GMT -5
they see the differences inside the eye, they way they look, not the physical appearence but the mental appearence, I still see the same man
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Post by revolver on May 23, 2004 22:20:37 GMT -5
Yeah, but the shape of the eyes, the higher eyebrow, the lower eye, the same. Can you describe the differences you're seeing? No, I can't describe the differences, because facial recognition is primarily a right-brain activity while language is mostly left-brain. An example of that is when you can recognize a person's face but can't place their name.
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Post by revolver on May 23, 2004 22:41:25 GMT -5
they see the differences inside the eye, they way they look, not the physical appearence but the mental appearence, I still see the same man Do you also see the same man in these photos? I sure don't.
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Post by SimMHoward on May 23, 2004 22:45:33 GMT -5
actually I do, the eyes match up, the chin shape is right, same scar on the eyebrow, it all adds up for me
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Post by lennonlives on May 24, 2004 15:35:20 GMT -5
i have to say their either the same guy or a damn close plastic surgery job
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Post by eyesbleed on May 24, 2004 16:30:10 GMT -5
Ya... I don't see the same guy either Revolver. A good plastic surgery job, sure... I suppose so, but nothing else is right!
But I guaranty I could post those 2 pics on any Beatles forum out there & get slammed by everybody there for even suggesting that those are pics of 2 different people.
People just see what they wanna see I guess.
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Post by JoJo on May 24, 2004 17:48:44 GMT -5
No, I can't describe the differences, because facial recognition is primarily a right-brain activity while language is mostly left-brain. An example of that is when you can recognize a person's face but can't place their name. Yes this is true about the right brain being in charge of facial recognition. The left brain can analyize, and describe in words the visual information it is receiving, but the recognition of the right brain is wordless. This is a facinating subject, and i was googling facial recognition, and came acrss this one: members.aol.com/nonverbal3/facerec.htm No comment from the web site owner about why that face is at the top of the page...
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