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Post by Jude on Jun 1, 2007 13:24:52 GMT -5
....that Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play. They've been going in and out of style(OK, not really) But even today they're guaranteed to raise a smile. ;D Today, June 1, 2007, is Pepper Day, and I decided to make my first post here while listening to (what else?) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. I propose a toast to Paul, Faul, whoever you want to call him for playing his part in one of the most enduring rock albums of all time. Today, let us cast aside all thoughts of dread and conspiracy, malice, and yes, forgive Yoko Ono for any misgivings we may have of her and travel back in time to June 1, 1967 with Billy Shears and Co. [glow=green,2,300]A splendid time is guaranteed for all![/glow]
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Post by beatlies on Jun 1, 2007 13:30:33 GMT -5
Okay, but the Sgt. Pepper music has quite a few eerie, disturbing parts in it. And as for the reppeP .tgS album cover and vinyl disc ........ [glow=blue,2,300]you could even say it glows .[/glow]
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Post by Jude on Jun 1, 2007 13:49:26 GMT -5
Oh pshaw. I've been lurking around the NIR forums long enough to know how you operate, beatlies, and even YOU can't help but enjoy Sgt. Pepper. The strange, glowing vinyl compels you to listen to it! LISTEN, IT SAYS! ;D
Seriously though, I don't think there's anything disturbing about Sgt. Pepper....a little unsettling, yes. Disturbing? If I want to be disturbed I listen to "Helter Skelter" or "Because". Two very different songs that are disturbing for very different reasons. But I digress! Today is Pepper Day, and I pay my due respects to to the Sarge for making one of the best damn albums on God's green footstool. C'mon everyone, give Sgt. Pepper a spin or two or three! Not every day is the 40th anniversary of the world's most beloved Beatles album! I'd wager some of the people here wouldn't be here if it weren't for Sgt. Pepper. I don't know about you, but I'm celebrating!
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Post by beatlies on Jun 1, 2007 15:13:53 GMT -5
Oh pshaw. I've been lurking around the NIR forums long enough to know how you operate, beatlies, and even YOU can't help but enjoy Sgt. Pepper. The strange, glowing vinyl compels you to listen to it! LISTEN, IT SAYS! ;D Seriously though, I don't think there's anything disturbing about Sgt. Pepper....a little unsettling, yes. Disturbing? If I want to be disturbed I listen to "Helter Skelter" or "Because". Two very different songs that are disturbing for very different reasons. But I digress! Today is Pepper Day, and I pay my due respects to to the Sarge for making one of the best damn albums on God's green footstool. C'mon everyone, give Sgt. Pepper a spin or two or three! Not every day is the 40th anniversary of the world's most beloved Beatles album! I'd wager some of the people here wouldn't be here if it weren't for Sgt. Pepper. I don't know about you, bu t I'm celebrating! Hey Jude, how do you "operate"? There's something about that Adolf Hitler mirror image in the Stockhausen face (that made it never be the same kind of audio experience me for me) and Aleister Crowley that might just qualify as disturbing, huh? Some of the songs are fun, some have darker elements, wouldn't you agree? There's room for all opinions here at NIR. Maybe you didn't get the ultraviolet reference. Hope you enjoy it here! He blew his mind out in a car He didn't notice that the lights had changed a crowd of people stood and stared Nothing to do to save his life call his wife in Nothing to say but what a day how's your boy been We were talking-about the space between us all And the people-who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion Never glimpse the truth-then it's far too late-when they pass away. We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people, Who gain the world and lose their soul- They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them? and though the news was rather sad Well I just had to laugh I saw the photograph Everybody knows there's nothing doing Everything is closed it's like a ruin Everyone you see is half-asleepAnd you're on your own, you're in the street Somebody need to know the time Glad that I'm here
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Post by Jude on Jun 1, 2007 16:50:56 GMT -5
Beatlies, I know what you're talking about. I'm a long time viewer of the The King is Naked forums, so when it comes to spooky lyrics and shady conspiracies, I'm no newbie. I know every suspicious lyric in Sgt. Pepper, but I've been believing that Paul was replaced for far too long to still be spooked by anything on that album. There were a few *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* moments on the album, yes, but I personally thing that clue-wise the album is weaker then everything that came after. I mean I can personally say with utmost sincerity that on Paul's new album, he's still singing Paul is dead clues. Fantastic album, really, and I think it's very important PiD-wise. But what I'm trying to say is that Sir Paul and the rest of the Beatles kept dropping hints for years and years afterwards. I'm more concerned with the later clues than I am with Sgt. Pepper's. The White Album in particular. To me Sgt. Pepper is the most wholesome and least creepy of the post-Paul is dead recordings because it was then that they really had to put on a good show to convince everyone that this was the same Paul McCartney. Everything afterwards was composed while the band was falling apart, and they each just wrote whatever the hell they wanted and really didn't care if they were spoiling it for anyone.
Sgt. Pepper is a fantastic album regardless of what may or may not be in it. Today is the 40th anniversary! Now please, I mean you no insult, beatlies; I too believe in the Illuminati and have my suspicions of the involvment of Aleister Crowley's beliefs in the making of the Beatles' music. But one thing Big Brother cannot take away from us is the enjoyment of good music. Regardless of the intention (and they were mostly good, I believe) of some of the songs on Sgt. Pepper, it is still fantastic music and anyone with their head screwed on straight can enjoy it. Please, why not do the same? I have many paranoid theories that I would like to share with everyone concerning the meanings of lyrics. I believe I have some insight to share that perhaps no one else has had yet. But I will not share that today, and I would hope that at least someone else on this board cares about the 40th anniversary of arguably the greatest Beatles album and instead of posting nasty things about Yoko (or Ferek Taylor, or Frian Epistein or whoever else has recently been transferred to the "replaced" department 'round here) would enjoy listening to it today. Honestly, I'm afraid of many things, and I believe that many conspiracies are afoot in the world, but I CAN relax and enjoy good music for a bit and I hope you do too, beatlies.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 1, 2007 17:27:44 GMT -5
To be clear, Pepper was released on June 1st in Britain, June 2nd in the US, but I would say today is the day, yes. I'm interested in your music lyric theories, paranoid or otherwise. I think there was someone with another username who posted some interpretations of the Pepper cover at TKIN.. Don't know if it was you, but it was good stuff, someone still needs to do that. Some have said the puzzle is solved through Pepper.. Not 100% sure of that, but won't know 'til we try. I'll agree about the posting nasty things about certain parties, as none of it is relevant to solving a mystery.. Just some kind of emotional release I guess..Whatever.. I made a little stop animation, not as sharp or even in the brighness/color as I'd like, but filming under UV light presents a challenge. Hope you enjoy: (large file, give it a chance to load)
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Post by Jude on Jun 1, 2007 18:22:50 GMT -5
Excellent animation, JoJo. I've always admired your work with images, animations, and videos. You're most definitely the go-to "media guy" of the Paul is Dead scene. I thought all the images you and mysteryboy posted of the glowing LPs was fascinating, though perhaps not relevant considering that we only know of the Capitol versions having such luminescence. The images imprinted in the vinyl were creepy, too. But the point of my original message was sort of "hey, aren't we all Beatles fans? Should we really be concerned about Paul is Dead today, or should we be celebrating Sgt. Pepper in our small ways?". But I guess I'm in the minority. To be clear, Pepper was released on June 1st in Britain, June 2nd in the US, but I would say today is the day, yes. I'm interested in your music lyric theories, paranoid or otherwise. I think there was someone with another username who posted some interpretations of the Pepper cover at TKIN.. Don't know if it was you, but it was good stuff, someone still needs to do that. Some have said the puzzle is solved through Pepper.. Not 100% sure of that, but won't know 'til we try. I'll agree about the posting nasty things about certain parties, as none of it is relevant to solving a mystery.. Just some kind of emotional release I guess..Whatever.. I don't remember posting anything about the Sgt. Pepper cover on The King is Naked. In fact, in introducing myself I should mention that I'm not really into examining covers, etc. I believe that all that stuff is relevant (though perhaps not to the extent of mirror imaging every single person on Sgt. Pepper), and that visual evidence is an extremely important area of research. I would never undermine video and photographic evidence, but my thing is really the audio side of the Paul is dead mystery. I don't think it'll make me popular here, considering how popular it is to post photos comparing Pauls and discussing album covers, but I've always been deeply fascinated with reverse speech and hidden messages (one of which I posted to The King is Naked----no one cared), which I think makes me a little unusual (for instance, I downloaded Paul's new album a little more than a week ago and I've already turned it inside out looking for clues both forwards and backwards). Though I've visited the TKIN forums nearly since it first began, somehow I never knew about NIR until recently. And I must say that it is extremely refreshing to be at a Paul is Dead message board where the latest craze doesn't revolve around researching a non existent love triangle with Sylvie Vartan in the middle of it. But, everyone has ideas that seem crazy to others and I hope there are others that have a passion for lyrical/audio clues so that maybe this here sore thumb won't stick out too much. Also, I should say in reference to the post I made earlier that I'm not ignorant of the clues in Sgt. Pepper by any means. There are definitely some strange things going on within the recording itself (John saying "Ah, Paul" at the beginning of Lovely Rita, Paul seemingly yelling "Paul is dead! Really, really dead!" at the end of Reprise, "I never could see any other way", etc..), but you know, I obsess over this stuff way too much to care today. I'm just kicking back and relaxing to Beatles tunes today. The way I see it, you can't afford to be paranoid every day. Some days you just gotta smile and enjoy what you have for what it is. And what it is is Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and it's a darn good album, wouldn't you all say?
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 1, 2007 20:05:54 GMT -5
That really does look like an eye Joe. I woke up late in the morning of June 1st and the first thing I did was play my CD copy of Sgt. Pepper.
"Here's to you boys!"
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Post by JoJo on Jun 1, 2007 20:22:13 GMT -5
We're dead to them, and with the name of this forum censored automatically from any post or PM.. it's easy to understand not having heard of us.. I and the material I posted there have vanished as if they never existed, kind of interesting metaphor.. Anyway, old news.
I think any on topic idea that helps bring the mystery more into focus is welcome. Backwards speech is an interesting topic, but then it tends toward two groups of thought: the possibly intentional, such as the end of "Cry Baby Cry", and the alleged unintentional, which gets into the (controversial) theory that subconscious thoughts are expressed in backwards speech.
But you are right, a 40 year anniversary is worthy of a celebration, and Pepper will always stand out as an amazing album, no question.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 1, 2007 20:25:14 GMT -5
That really does look like an eye Joe. I woke up late in the morning of June 1st and the first thing I did was play my CD copy of Sgt. Pepper. Something I've been meaning to mention, but I hoped I would be able to find the animation from the Fidelity web site..no luck. I saw a web ad that had a close up of an eye that looked exactly like the glowing Pepper.. Who is the spokesman for Fidelity? Sir Paul.
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Post by Jude on Jun 1, 2007 21:44:01 GMT -5
I know! That's what's frustrating about it. I can't tell you how many times I've responded to people who knock iamaphoney for including so many reverse speech examples in his Rotten Apple videos. I tell them about reversespeech.org and David Oates' research, but so people just don't want to believe in it either because they won't take the time to explore the website or they just can't wrap their heads around the idea. But it's all really so very simple. It's been tested and proved so many times. I mean Oates has predicted so many before they happened just by analyzing speech in reverse....I just wish more people accepted it as "evidence", because there just so happens to be a lot of reversals in post-66 Beatles songs! If what David Oates says is true, then there is a goldmine of confessions to be heard: Paul says "I admire and understand Paul" in Back in the U.S.S.R. John sings "Paul, he used to sing with me" in Real Love. He also sings "I wish I was not a Beatle" in I'm So Tired. And here's one you can hear without even reversing the song: George singing "Paul is bloody" in Blue Jay Way. For anyone with an open mind to this, please check this www.reversespeech.com/words_of_creation.htm and then listen to this particular reversal: www.reversespeech.com/rev/test10.mp3. This isn't coincidence, it's an emerging science! But even so, not all audio clues are backwards. Beatles lyrics are full of clues, and there are even messages hidden buried under the music itself. Reverse speech is just one important (though I know even now someone thinks what I'm saying is rubbish) facet of Paul is Dead research, in my opinion.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 2, 2007 2:30:21 GMT -5
Nice job as usual, Jojo. It nicely shows how the label fades to black as well. [/quote]
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Post by JoJo on Jun 2, 2007 11:33:37 GMT -5
Thanks Mysteryboy, this was my own way of celebrating I guess, making this animation. I found this on another forum, there was a Dutch TV show with a piece on one of the "Fools", Simon: www.uitzendinggemist.nl/index.php/serie?serID=203&md5=d4c692f2823f9713442c40762167a0d6You need the latest version of M$ Windows Media Player, and it is in Dutch of course. Click on the right at 'bekijk' (=watch) I set out to make screen captures, but even with a special program that usually takes care of this like a champ, I had no luck, must be some new copyright protection scheme, quite diabolical. But..there's no defeating the analog method, although the quality suffers. (just put a video cam in front of the screen, and voila! What is below is the original Fool Pepper cover! The record sleeve: Simon unwraps a special copy just for him made from a picture taken of a rare copy of the original:
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 2, 2007 11:49:49 GMT -5
FAUL had virtually zero creative input into Pepper. If you want to celebrate his musical accomplishments so badly, you should wait another month or two for the anniversary of "Hello Goodbye."
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 2, 2007 11:52:10 GMT -5
To be clear, Pepper was released on June 1st in Britain, June 2nd in the US
To be even more clear, it was actually for sale a week beforehand.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 2, 2007 12:47:20 GMT -5
Incredible String Band's "The 5,000 Spirits, or the Layers of the Onion" LP, produced by Joe Boyd. I think band member Williamson did the artwork, but no sure on this release. The album went to Number One in the UK folk chart, and was named by Paul McCartney as one of his favourite records of that year. Wiki Also, John's "Happiness is a Warm Gun" purported to be influenced by an ISB song from '68 release, " A Very Cellullar Song".
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Post by JoJo on Jun 2, 2007 13:30:59 GMT -5
It does look "Foolish" MB. From: www.norwegianwood.org/beatles/english/albumcovers9.htmlOriginally a Dutch group called the Fool had made a design for the center fold.
Miles: "Simon and Marijke painted a dream landscape of stylised mountain peaks and wonderful birds, like an LSD-influenced Chinese willow-pattern design. The sky was rainbow-ed with two oval panels for text, one of which was filled with stars and comets. A further empty panel had a flower border with a peacock draping its tail over the side. Tiny figures of the Beatles peeped out from among the flora. The style was Euro-psychedelic, owing much to Mucha, Beardsley, art nouveau and nineteenth-century children’s book illustrations. Unfortunately they got the dimensions wrong, but even with a border added, the work looked somehow second-rate. The Beatles, however, loved it."
But Fraser saw it differently. He felt it would be judged by posterity as simply another piece of sixties acid art. Robert suggested a series of portrait shots instead. For this picture the Beatles all looked in the camera and tried to express a feeling of love to their fans. "And that’s what that is," declares Paul "if you look at it you’ll see the big effort from the eyes".
John had a different opinion: "When you look at the cover, you see two people flying through the air, and two not flying through the air."
Gene Mahon suggested the lyrics should be printed on the sleeve. That was never done before. Northern Songs, their music-publishing company immediately objected, because it would cut the sales of their sheet music.
The Beatles wanted the record to be pressed on colored vinyl, but EMI told them it was not possible. Perhaps they settled for a few glow in the dark versions? Instead, for the first British pressing at least, the inner sleeve was decorated with an abstract design in red, pink and white. So Simon and Marijke could make a contribution to the sleeve after all.
The Beatles also wanted a envelope with every LP, with in it sweets, badges, pencil colors and such. But EMI foresaw too much problems and expenses, so Blake designed a cardboard cut-out, with a mustache, a picture card, some sergeant stripes, two badges, and a stand-up.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 2, 2007 14:30:44 GMT -5
It does look "Foolish" MB. From: www.norwegianwood.org/beatles/english/albumcovers9.htmlOriginally a Dutch group called the Fool had made a design for the center fold.
The Beatles wanted the record to be pressed on colored vinyl, but EMI told them it was not possible. Perhaps they settled for a few glow in the dark versions? Nice find ! I wonder if they allowed the Fool to design the glowing artwork as well? The green on their Pepper design looks familiar. They did indeed do the artwork to "The 5,000 Spirits, or the Layers of the Onion" LP. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Layers_of_Onion.gif
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Post by JoJo on Jun 2, 2007 17:46:16 GMT -5
Looks like when the Stone imitated Pepper for Her Majesty's Satanic Request, they went somewhat for the look of the Fool cover: Wish I could do the Stones cover justice, but it's one of those deals where the images shift depending on which angle you view them from.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 2, 2007 19:39:32 GMT -5
And don't forget to look for the Beatles Pepper cutouts in there. If you can see my faint black outlines, I circled the 4 images. Again, it depends on the angle whether or not yer gonna see'em. 2 of'em are pretty hard to find. Here's the Pepper image I got from the Beatles site. I love the brighter colors One hell-of-a first-post-introductory thread Jude! (a fairly late)Welcome!! Oh ya, one more... a friend just sent this Move yer mouse over the Pepper cover & it tells ya who everybody is. www.oxforddnb.com/public/sgtpepper/
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Post by mommybird on Jun 3, 2007 14:28:01 GMT -5
Welcome aboard, Jude. I'm glad that you've finally come out to play ! ;D
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Post by Jude on Jun 3, 2007 16:57:05 GMT -5
Thanks, eyesbleed. I had been wanting to join the board for some time, and I thought: what better day than the 40th anniversary of Sgt. Pepper? That Sgt. Pepper cover by the Fool would have been an excellent cover for the album. I think it's a shame they didn't use it. The only thing needed to spruce it up a bit would be the inclusion of the the band into the picture somehow. The incredible thing is that even though the cover wasn't used, it managed to inspire both The Rolling Stones and, in my view, the design of Pepperland in Yellow Submarine. TotalInformation, it is true that Mal Evans wrote most of the lyrics to Fixing a Hole, and that he collaborated with Paul in making the concept of the album what it is today. But there is a fine line (get it?) between paranoia and prejudice; you have no real reason to believe that Sir Paul contributed virtually zero to Sgt. Pepper, do you?
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Post by Jude on Jun 4, 2007 0:28:24 GMT -5
To be clear, Pepper was released on June 1st in Britain, June 2nd in the USTo be even more clear, it was actually for sale a week beforehand. ........what?
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 4, 2007 8:34:13 GMT -5
For someone who has done so little real research he isn't even familiar with the actual street date of the album, where is it exactly you get off lecturing about "prejudice"?
Why don't you do some homework and then report back on which songs you think FAUL was actually involved in creating and why? And don't bore us with paper-thin apocryphal tales from court historians like Davies, or expect us to take them seriously. You have no real reason to think FAUL wrote anything (or for that matter did significant singing) on the album, do you?
The cabaret singer had zero leverage when he first came aboard and was hired to be little more than a pretty face. C'mon, put up, or shut up your big fat insulting gob.
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Post by beatlies on Jun 4, 2007 16:16:26 GMT -5
To be clear, Pepper was released on June 1st in Britain, June 2nd in the USTo be even more clear, it was actually for sale a week beforehand. Good point TI.
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