PID/PWR songs

[JoJo]

You're welcome, and that Mr. Blue song is one creepy bit of songwriting. Mr. Blue Sky as an answer isn't such a stretch, hmm.

[lili]

That Mr. Blue song is just plain CREEPY ! When was it recorded ?

BTW, 4000, I sent that MOJO magazine onto eyesbleed.

Share & share alike, I always say ! ;D

[fourthousandholes]

This entire thread about Arnold Layne should be considered in this thread, imo.

invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=thisone&thread=1105048195&page=1

[mysteryboy]

some lines from "Jugband Blues", Syd Barrett,1967, Abbey Road studios. His alleged last song for Pink Floyd.

"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here
and I am most obliged to you for making it clear
That I'm not here...
And I never knew the moon could be so big
and I never knew the moon could be so blue
and I am grateful to you
that you threw away my old shoes
and brought me here instead
dressed in red

And I'm wondering who could be writing this song?

I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter

(This line is then followed by a Salvation Army band musical interlude ala Sgt. Pepper.)

And the sea isn't green
and I love the queen
and what exactly is a dream?
and what exactly is a joke?

[lili]

"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here
and I am most obliged to you for making it clear
That I'm not here...
And I never knew the moon could be so big
and I never knew the moon could be so blue
and I am grateful to you
that you threw away my old shoes
and brought me here instead
dressed in red

And I'm wondering who could be writing this song?

Could it be that Sid was "influenced" to write this song. Could he have been channeling Paul. Could his trying to understand this been one of the reasons of his nervous breakdown

And the sea isn't green
and I love the queen
and what exactly is a dream?
and what exactly is a joke?

I can see JPM saying this , I really can.

What exactly is a joke, indeed. Surely what happened to him is as far from a joke as you can get !

[fourthousandholes]

"I am most obliged to you for making it clear
That I'm not here...

And I never knew the moon could be so big
and I never knew the moon could be so blue
("Dark side of the Moon")

Look back at "Still You Turn Me On" :

Do you wanna be the lover of another undercover
You could even be the
Man on the moon[/b]

Do you wanna be the player
Do you wanna be the string
Let me tell you something
It just dont mean a thing

You see it really doesnt matter
When you're buried in disguise
By the dark glass on your eyes
Though your flesh has crystallised (because it was frozen?)
Still...you turn me on[/b]

and I am grateful to you
that you threw away my old shoes (shown next to the "Beatles 3" drum in MMT)
and brought me here instead dressed in red (?)[/b]

And the sea isn't green

So we sailed up to the sun,
Till we found a sea of green,

And we lived beneath the waves,
In our yellow submarine,
We all live in a yellow submarine

As we live a life of ease,
Everyone of us has all we need (has all we need)
Sky of blue (sky of blue) and sea of green (sea of green)
In our yellow (in our yellow) submarine (submarine)


And I love the queen

"Her majesty's a pretty nice girl
but she doesn't have a lot to say
Her majesty's a pretty nice girl
but she changes from day to day
I wanna tell her that I love her a lot
but I gotta get a belly full of wine
Her majesty's a pretty nice girl
someday I'm gonna make her mine
Oh, yeah, some day I'm gonna make her mine "

But "Her Majesty" that he loves isn't the reptilian that offed princess Diana;
it's most likely this theatre, called "Her Majesty's":

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Theatre

I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter

So put it all together, and what d'ya got?
Bippidy Boppity Boo. But I'll offer comments shortly.

[lili]

I don't care if the sun don't shine
and I don't care if nothing is mine
and I don't care if I'm nervous with you
I'll do my loving in the winter

This sounds like it might be from Faul's perspective. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

[Jai Guru Deva]

I'm going to add George Harrison's "Ding Dong Ding Dong", off the Darkhorse album. Harrison said his inspiration for the song came from two engravings over the fireplace. One read, "Ring out the old, ring in the new." The other read, "Ring out the false, ring in the true."

Within the song, you've a play on words with yesterday, tomorrow and today. It harkens back to I Am The Walrus and the line "I am he as you are he as you are me as we are all together".

Whether it's meant to or not, the "Ding Dong Ding Dong" reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, "Ding, Dong the Witch is Dead". Ding Dong is also used as a euphemism for someone's who's a half-wit, or to knock sense into someone's head. As in example, "He's such a 'ding dong', or "Ding dong' don't you get it!

The quality of the video is very poor, but still there is some interesting imagery. There are quite a few interesting costumes, including at various points George is seen in Beatles' clothes from the past: the leather jacket, the grey suit, his Sgt. Pepper outfit...

I thought the frame which shows George in his Beatles' grey, then the camera pans up and we see the clock tower was interesting symbolism. It's reminiscent of the one in "A Day In The Life". The guys in the band all wear different costumes and masks at various times. There is a skull and bones flag which comes down and later is replaced by yellow flag with the Hindu symbol for "Om".

At the very end of the song, it sounds to me like they sing, "Ding Dong Ding Dong, He's not there." Then "Ding Dong Ding Dong, Bloody Moron". And then, "Ding Dong Ding Dong, Paul is way gone". (The second line is a bit muddled, so you might find it to be a somewhat of a roarshock test for the ears, but that's what it sounds like to me.)



DING DONG DING DONG

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj5a-gVsdSU


Ring out the old
Ring in the new
Ring out the old
Ring in the new

Ring out the false
Ring in the true
Ring out the old
Ring in the new

Ding-dong, ding-dong
Ding-dong, ding-dong
Ding-dong, ding-dong
Ding-dong, ding-dong

Yesterday, today was tomorrow
And tomorrow, today will be yesterday

So ring out the old
Ring in the new
Ring out the old
Ring in the new

Ring out the false
Ring in the true
Ring out the old
Ring in the new

Ding-dong, ding-dong
Ding-dong, ding-dong
Ding-dong, ding-dong
Ding-dong, ding-dong

[lili]

I just watched the DingDong vide & When We Was Fab.
Both of them are interesting. Here's When We Was Fab:

[fourthousandholes]

Jai Guru Deva wrote:
"Ding Dong Ding Dong" reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, "Ding, Dong the Witch is Dead"

which made me think of the top ten hit someone had with it.
That, in turn, made me think of the song "Thank U Very Much"
done by Mike McGear, Paul's brother, and his group, Scaffold,
which led me to this little bit of trivia:

www.speakwell.com/well/2004winter/yule.php

And whether there's a clue here, I don't know, but it 'tis
the season to be jolly, after all.

And who knows what's hidden in these songs?

beatleshelp.topcities.com/collabo/scaf.html

Not me, that's for sure! But here's more on the Scaffold:

www.iankitching.me.uk/music/scaffold/history.html

[lili]

From the Scaffold link, there was further information on Vivian Stanshall. This is what it says:

Like so many rock musicians of the Sixties, he became a heavy drinker and drug user and went on many binges with Keith Moon in the Seventies, the most infamous being when they dressed as Nazi officers and toured around the East End, causing shock and dismay.



What the hell was that about [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

[JoJo]

Here you go, I always try to get the best.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXhOM8vz-gk



It is a tough video to find, this is lower on the quality spectrum that I usually like to post.

[fourthousandholes]

lili said:

From the Scaffold link, there was further information on Vivian Stanshall. This is what it says:

Like so many rock musicians of the Sixties, he became a heavy drinker and drug user and went on many binges with Keith Moon in the Seventies, the most infamous being when they dressed as Nazi officers and toured around the East End, causing shock and dismay.



What the hell was that about [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

Inspiration for Prince William? (Or was it the other one?)
(You'll recall he dressed as a Nazi for Halloween, and started a huge fuss.)

[Jai Guru Deva]

Thanks JoJo. It's funny, but I'm not hearing the same words at the end in your video like I am in the other video. Maybe that's due to better sound quality?

[plastic paul]

4K you are right, it was the other one, it was actually Harry.

[fourthousandholes]

I have noted that many Neil Young songs seem to tie in to PID/PWR. I had listed a number
of them at TKIN, but deleted them when I left, due to my anger at the forum manager.
Ideally it would have been nice to have some examples posted here to show a pattern
before I post this bomb, so that you all could see why I think they do, but c'est la vie.
The Dezombificator had posted some Neil Young songs in the "Paul Is Found...Where?"
thread at TKIN which are good examples.
In any case, this morning I was wondering about what other Neil Young songs might pertain, when the song
"Down By the River" popped into my head.
I had never even thought about this song as possibly relating to Paul before, and I can't prove that it does,
but I can't dismiss it either, because it fits in a little too well with some of the other "musical evidence" in this case, imo.
Here for your consideration then:

www.thrasherswheat.org/fot/down-by-the-river.htm

""Down By The River"
Introduction by Neil Young
New Orleans, Sep 27, 1984

Neil Young introducing the song "Down By The River":


I'd like to sing you a song about a guy who had a lot of trouble controlling himself. He let the dark side side come thru a little too bright.
One afternoon he took a little stroll down thru a field and thru a forest, 'til he could hear the water running along there. And he met his woman down there. And he told her she'd been cheatin' on him one too many times. And he reached down in his pocket and he pulled a little revolver out. Said "honey I hate to do this but you pushed me too far".

By the time he got back to town he knew he had to answer to somebody pretty quick. He went back to his house and he sat down on his front porch. About two hours later the sheriff's car pulled up out front. It started sinkin' in on him what he'd done. The sheriff walked up the sidewalk, he said "come with me son, I want to ask you a few questions".

As he heard the jail door shut behind him he sat down on a little wooden bench. And he looked out of the door - thru those bars - at this kind of wimpy looking sheriff out there. He started getting mad again and he realized what he had done.

There wasn't nothing he could do about it now though. He just sat down and put his head down and he started thinking to himself "I'm all by myself here, there's nobody on my side.....""

----------
"Down By The River"
(Neil Young)

Be on my side,
I'll be on your side,
baby
There is no reason
for you to hide
It's so hard for me
staying here all alone
When you could be
taking me for a ride.

Yeah, she could drag me
over the rainbow,
send me away
Down by the river
I shot my baby
Down by the river,
Dead, oh, shot her dead.

You take my hand,
I'll take your hand
Together we may get away
This much madness
is too much sorrow
It's impossible
to make it today.

Yeah, she could drag me
over the rainbow,
send me away
Down by the river
I shot my baby
Down by the river,
Dead, oh, shot her dead.

Be on my side,
I'll be on your side,
baby
There is no reason
for you to hide
It's so hard for me
staying here all alone
When you could be
taking me for a ride.

Yeah, she could drag me
over the rainbow,
send me away
Down by the river
I shot my baby
Down by the river,
Dead, oh, shot her dead.
(end)

Hear it/See it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZ50PjDTi8&NR
-----------

Not much there, to be sure, but there are these lines:

"You take my hand, I'll take your hand
Together we may get away.
This much madness is too much sorrow
It's impossible to make it today."

which don't make a lot of sense if the person has already shot his "baby" and is sitting alone in a jail cell.

But perhaps this is indicative of a madness setting in; a denial of reality.

I can't dismiss this song as easily as I would like.
It sounds a bit too much like:

"I'd rather see you dead little girl, than to be with another man".

Too much like:

Wish You Were Here
(Waters, Gilmour)

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skys from pain.
Can you tell a green field (a hint of "Mother Nature's son"?)
From a cold steel rail? (the bars on a prison cell)
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

And did they get you to trade
Your heros for ghosts? ("my baby")
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war *
For a lead role in a cage? (a jail cell)

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls (Syd and Paul?)
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

Too much like:
"Happiness Is A Warm Gun".

*"A walk on part in the war" - Possibly a small, anonymous, role in "How I Won the War",
but also, perhaps, the "war" to win Beatle fans to the 'loving' side of life, as opposed to the
'hating' approach used by politicians and "the powers that be" to spur us on to hate our 'enemies', etc.

I have mentioned that "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" seems to be about negotiations between
the French and English for the release of a prisoner while a "swat team" of sorts sneaks the prisoner
out under the nose of 'Uncle Albert' (the French), imo.
I've spoken of how "Monkberry Moon Delight" describes the rescuers as "a rattle of rats".
The prisoner bangs away on a piano loudly so his rescuers can find him,
only to see that some of them are outside, hiding in a barrel smoking "Monkberry Moon Delight".
I've refered to the "Starry eyed and laughing, as I recall when we were caught" line in the Dylan
song "Chimes of Freedom" (again, possibly the rescuers who had indulged in the 'Monkberry Moon Delight').

I have expressed my absolute conviction that Pink Floyd's "A Momentary Lapse of Reason"
is all about Paul and Sylvie's relationship, and how the album starts with the sounds of someone finding
wreckage floating in water, and somebody nearly dead, while the next song, "Learning To Fly" describes
a person trying to make an escape in a plane, but falling from the sky with watering eyes (crying).
I've mentioned how the following song, "The Dogs of War" ends with "computer game" sounds of
a plane being shot down.

We've discussed the sounds of people running through an airport in the "Mistery Trip" demo made for RCA.
At TKIN, BeatlePaul pointed out the airport sounds on Pink Floyd's
"On the Run" on "Dark Side of the Moon"

I can imagine Paul "losing it", killing Sylvie, being imprisoned, escaping with the help
of friends in "high" places, and attempting an escape in a plane that's shot down.

A possible scenario which I'd like to dismiss out of hand, but which I can't.
Too many references to "Wings".
"The rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into the sun" (plane shot down?)
"Maybe they'll shoot down your plane" (Yellow Brick Road)
Too much: "See how they run like pigs from a gun; see how they fly. I'm crying."
"For the benefit of 'Mr. Kite'".
I could go on and on.
But I'll stop here for now.

[lili]

Thank you, 4000 for your insightful post.
However, I think that you have the wrong person killing Sylvie. I think that Johnny Hallyday killed Sylvie. She died sometime before September, 1965. I've seen photos of "Sylvie" dated Sept. 1965. and they were of one of the Fylvie's ( I think it was Marisa Sanai ).
It took some doing, but I found this biography of Johnny Hallyday - www.rfimusique.com/siteEn/biographie/biographie_6309.asp

Here's an interesting excerpt:

"G.I. Blues"

On May 8th 64, Johnny Hallyday, now on military service, was stationed with the Forty-third Infantry Regiment at Offenbourg in Germany. Military service transformed his media image. He became an almost respectable young man in the public eye. His marriage to Sylvie on April 12th 65 did nothing but enhance this. On November 18th, a civilian once more, he gave his first concert at Olympia. It was not, however, as successful as expected. At the end of the year the album "Johnny chante Hallyday" came out.

His rise to fame in the first part of the decade had been meteoric. Yet, once "Yéyé" had been and gone, Hallyday felt himself abandoned. A whole section of the public that had moved on to explore other musical styles and artists like Bob Dylan and the Beatles. He was even made fun of by the "agitator", Antoine, who joked about "putting Johnny in a circus cage" in his "Elucubrations". Johnny riposted by bringing out the single, "Cheveux longs, idées courtes". On September 10th, genuinely depressed, he tried to commit suicide. A little later he brought out "Noir c'est noir", a reflection on the depressed state he had been in.
One happy event must have comforted him, however: the birth of his son David on August 14th.

I think that it's no coincidence that he tried to commit suicide Sept. 10th. It fits right in with the time frame of Marisa's taking Sylvie's place before then. Paul didn't have the temperament to kill someone. Believe me, he was a lover not a fighter.
I re-read what is written at the It's Only Love website - The Beatle Girlfriends - sentstarr.tripod.com/beatgirls/girl.html

Here's an excerpt written by one of Paul's girlfriend's, Dorothy Rhone:

They hadn’t been going out for long before Paul began to show signs of being overly posessive and controling. "He was so posessive that he needed to control everything about me - my appearance, the way I dressed, even the way I thought. he was always wanting me to look better than I did and I never thought I measured up to the way he thought I should be. I feel ashamed to admit it now, but back then I went along with it. I became his puppet If I knew then what I know now, I would never have allowed it to happen. He gave me a list of rules that I had to stick to. John had the same rules for his girlfriend Cynthia." This set of rules cost Dot a lot of things, including her friends. "He told me I couldn't see my girlfriends. There was no going out except with him, and I lost touch with my friends because I was never available. When we did go out I wasn't allowed to smoke, even though he smokes; it wasn't the image he wanted I guess." Paul wanted the pair of them to always wear black and insisted that Dot had blonde hair. "It started getting darker but he said I should dye it. There was one time he paid for me to have it done like he wanted and made the appointment. When I came out it looked terrible, all teased. I hated it but Paul said it was my fault because I had let them do it that way. He just said 'Give me a call when your hair grows' and walked off. We didn't see each other for a few days after that. Things like that would happen quite often." Paul himself readily admitted his behaviour regading pressuring girlfriends into being Bardot-like. "At the time everyone was trying to turn their girlfriend into a bargain basement Bardot. We all happened to be at the age when a ravishing sex goddess taking off her clothes was the fantasy for us boys. We were all smitten. So the girls had to be blonde, look rather like Brigitte and preferably pout a lot. John and I used to have these secret talks intimating, although not actually saying it, that we could be quite happy for our girlfriends to be Liverpool's answer to Bardot. My girlfriend was called Dot and, of course, John had Cynthia. We got them both to go blonde and wear mini skirts. It's terrible really. But that's the way it was."
Paul had a furious temper that went with his possesiveness which Dot found out one day when she was dancing with someone else while Paul was rehearsing with the band. "I always used to see this guy on the way to school, standing at the bus stop, and I would spin fantasies about him. And one night there he was at the Casbah. I was giving him the eye and stuff and he asked me to dance. I was dancing away with him while Paul was upstairs rehearsing. When he came down he saw us jiving and he was furious. He came up to us with my coat in his hand, while we were still on the floor and just said ‘We’re going’ just like that. We went home and had a row, but it was very one-sided. He told me I shouldn’t be dancing and having a good time without him, but I wouldn’t fight back. Maybe I wanted to keep the peace because I had seen so much fighting at home. And, of course, inwardly it was quite flattering all this posessiveness." * Paul was furious with her, but he did not raise his hands to her.
He made up for his posessive streak by being very generous to his new girlfriend. Everytime the band earned a few pounds he'd spend a large amount of it on little tokens of affection for her such as expensive tight miniskirts, and a black leather coat that would have cost her several weeks wages.

At the same site, is the biography of Anita Cochrane. She gave birth to Paul's son Philip. On the 10th of February 1964 at Billinge Hospital near Wigan, Philip Cochrane was born weighing 5lb 150z, a small but healthy baby. At this time Paul McCartney was on the Beatles' first tour of the US. Here's an excerpt :

Anita slowly began to realise that her rose-tinted view of their "relationship" was not a reality for Paul. He was becoming famous and would soon be able to choose any girl in Britain that he wanted. For Paul, theirs was only a sexual relationship, something which would soon be made clear to the naive and besotted young Anita as his times in Liverpool became shorter and he found himself with less chances to humour her in order to get his way.

"Towards the end of their time in Liverpool, Paul started to change. He became colder. He treated our relationship as purely a sexual thing. He made it clear it was nothing special. I remember the last time we were together. I was walking home with a friend and he drove past and picked us up. We went to John's flat. My friend was with John and I was with Paul. That was the night I believe I became pregnant."

Anita was 17 when her son was conceived at the end of April 1963, and only two weeks after that she saw Paul for the last time at a friend's flat, still totally unaware that she could be carrying his child. As the two were joking around together, Paul implied that Anita was easy, deeply upsetting her and provoking her to throw a cup of coffee over him.

"He made it clear, in no uncertain terms, how unimportant I was to him. He was so hard-faced. I couldn't kid myself any more. he dared me to throw the coffee over him, so I did. He slapped me and called me names. I jumped up and ran home. I was devastated." * Again, Paul was furious. She threw coffee in his face. It most likely was hot, which prompted him to raise his hands to her. Still, he slapped her & called her names. He in no way beat her up, or tried to kill her .
In reaction to the devastating discovery that Paul didn't care for her, Anita found herself with another man, but unfortunately once the pregnancy became apparent, none of the signs pointed towards this other man being the father... a situation which deeply upset Anita after the way Paul had treated her.

I wasn't able to find any information as to whether Jane Asher ever claimed that Paul was abusive to her. If anyone has seen anything pertaining to this, or has anything that would answer this question, please let me know.

I believe that "You Won't See Me" was written by Paul about how painful his breakup with Sylvie was for him:

You Won't See Me (Lennon/McCartney)

When I call you up
Your line's engaged
I have had enough
So act your age
We have lost the time
That was so hard to find
And I will lost my mind
If you won't see me
You won't see me
I don't know why
You should want to hide
But I can't get through
My hands are tied
I won't want to stay
I don't gave much to say
But I can't turn away
And you won't see me
You won't see me

Time after time
You refuse to even listen
I wouldn't mind
If I knew what I was missing
Though the days are few
They're filled with tears
And since I lost you
It feels like years
Yes, it seems so long
Girl, since you've been gone
And I just can't go on
If you won't see me
You won't see me

Time after time
You refuse to even listen
I wouldn't mind
If I knew what I was missing
Though the days are few
They're filled with tears
And since I lost you
It feels like years
Yes, it seems so long
Girl, since you've been gone
And I just can't go on
If you won't see me
You won't see me

This is what it says in the Wikipedia:

"You Won't See Me" is a song by the British 1960s rock group The Beatles, on the album Rubber Soul. Though it is credited to Lennon/McCartney, it was written by only Paul McCartney.

The song is about a crisis in McCartney's relationship with his then-girlfriend Jane Asher. She was rejecting him by not returning phone calls and ignoring him — for once, he was in a vulnerable position. The more biting tone of the song marks a change away from his earlier, happier love songs. "You Won't See Me" was recorded during the last session for Rubber Soul.

You Won't See Me"

Song by The Beatles
from the album Rubber Soul
Released December 3, 1965
Recorded Abbey Road Studios
June 17, October 12 -
November 11, 1965
Genre Rock
Length 3:22
Label EMI, Parlophone, Capitol
Writer(s) Lennon/McCartney
Producer(s) George Martin

Even though it states that Paul wrote it about Jane Asher, I have my doubts. It was written after Sylvie married Johnny. I think that she was forced to marry him. All of a sudden, Paul was cut off. I think that it makes more sense that Johnny killed his wife, ( most likely by accident ) because she was defiant of him. She was spoiled & used to getting her own way. I don't think that she was too happy in her marriage to Johnny. I don't even know if they had an "open" marriage. The French are more open-minded than we are in the West. More than likely, she was still seeing Paul on the sly. He must've called her on it, and they had a huge blowout about it. Somewhere in the scuffle, Sylvie wound up dead. Johnny, ( who was genuinely in love with her ) was so despondant over what happened, he tried to kill himself.
Since they both were huge stars, there must've been a clash of egos. I believe that they had a very volatile relationship.


Sylvie & Johnny's wedding day. Does she appear to be pregnant ?

Johnny & Sylvie. Is it just me, or does she have a black eye


Paul & Sylvie, 1964:

[fourthousandholes]

Many of the songs done by The WHO raise my eyebrows.
They're written in a way to have "plausible deniability", often as vague as anything Bob Dylan
ever wrote, but read the lyrics of any song on "Quadrophenia" and see if you don't get the
feeling they might be relevant to PID/PWR in some way.
This song, "Who Are You?" is from the album of that name.
Read through it, and then ask yourself "Who is it?"

Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?

I woke up in a Soho doorway
A policeman knew my name
He said "You can go sleep at home tonight
If you can get up and walk away"

I staggered back to the underground
And the breeze blew back my hair
I remember throwin' punches around
And preachin' from my chair

[chorus:]
Well, who are you? (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)
I really wanna know (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)
Tell me, who are you? (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)
'Cause I really wanna know (Who are you? Who, who, who, who?)

I took the tube back out of town
Back to the Rollin' Pin
I felt a little like a dying clown
With a streak of Rin Tin Tin

I stretched back and I hiccupped
And looked back on my busy day
Eleven hours in the Tin Pan
God, there's got to be another way

Who are you?
Ooh wa ooh wa ooh wa ooh wa ...

Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?
Who are you?
Who, who, who, who?

[chorus]

I know there's a place you walked
Where love falls from the trees
My heart is like a broken cup
I only feel right on my knees

I spit out like a sewer hole
Yet still recieve your kiss
How can I measure up to anyone now
After such a love as this?


See what I mean? There may be nothing in this song that is overtly about Paul,
but The Who put it out, as a guessing game for the public, and a message to the person involved.
Faul has done a song or two about a person who's a "burn-out". Was this Paul's fate? (a rhetorical question)

[lili]

Paul might've very well been a burn out at the end. I found photos of him taken sometime in either '65 or '66. He looked TERRIBLE. Barely recognizable as JPM.

I know there's a place you walked
Where love falls from the trees - Spoken in past tense. It sounds like Faul speaking to Paul.
My heart is like a broken cup
I only feel right on my knees Could this be written from Faul's perspective ? About how hard it is filling Paul's shoes ?

I spit out like a sewer hole
Yet still receive your kiss
Written from Faul's perspective, & a direct reference to Paul. After all, even though Faul spoke for Paul, he knew that he could never measure up ! He was receiving kisses & accolades meant for Paul.
How can I measure up to anyone now
After such a love as this? - what I just said. How could he ever go back to being himself again, after the adolation he's received being Paul

Great find, 4000 !

[beatlies]

fourthousandholes said:

lili said:

From the Scaffold link, there was further information on Vivian Stanshall. This is what it says:

Like so many rock musicians of the Sixties, he became a heavy drinker and drug user and went on many binges with Keith Moon in the Seventies, the most infamous being when they dressed as Nazi officers and toured around the East End, causing shock and dismay.



What the hell was that about [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

Inspiration for Prince William? (Or was it the other one?)
(You'll recall he dressed as a Nazi for Halloween, and started a huge fuss.)

They're signaling the fact that real Nazi SS veterans/WWII/Holocaust criminals were managing the Sardinia-based false-flag operations in Europe, and working for MI6 in Britain, and that the imposter replacement and that the entertainment media Faulse flags were part of this. Brian Jones (or Frian Fones?) caused a controversy by posing in a Nazi uniform in a photo shoot, this was briefly shown in the terrible lie-movie Stoned this year. We need to do more research on Marisa Sannia and the MMT Sardinia clues with this. Some Monty Python Nazis-in-England and Sardinia clues also.

Also don't forget the Hitler-Liverpool connection.

[lili]

That is something else. I had no idea that was going on !

[beatlies]

American Pie Lyrics


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A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn’t take one more step.

I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.

So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.

I started singin’,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Now for ten years we’ve been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin’ stone,
But that’s not how it used to be.
When the jester sang for the king and queen,
In a coat he borrowed from james dean
And a voice that came from you and me,

Oh, and while the king was looking down,
The jester stole his thorny crown.
The courtroom was adjourned;
No verdict was returned.
And while lennon read a book of marx,
The quartet practiced in the park,
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died.

We were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
Eight miles high and falling fast.
It landed foul on the grass.
The players tried for a forward pass,
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast [of actor-imposters].

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

We started singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil’s only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan’s spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn’t play.

And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.

And they were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die.
"this’ll be the day that I die."

They were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’, "this’ll be the day that I die."

The hottest songs from Don McLean

[LOVELYRITA]

I remember watching a Behind The Music on Buddy Holly and Don Mc Clean said he was inspired when Buddy Holly was killed in a plane wreck.

Which was a suspicious thing to me, an inexperienced young pilot sent out to fly a plane carrying the biggest stars in their day in a blizzard...

1. Why did they insist on sending those performers out in a blizzard?
2. Why did they have an inexperienced pilot fly in that storm?

Questions that may cause some suspicions...

"Bill" owns the rights to Buddy Holly's songs...

[beatlies]

Substitute by the WHO? ---

invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=1112095917

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NMEnrq_TVI

The bassist is wearing British (?) military medals that drop down over his bass guitar.

[fourthousandholes]

Thanks for posting that link here, Beatlies.