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Post by beacon on Oct 21, 2013 10:10:59 GMT -5
My latest blog piece about Sibyllas nightclub. Too long to reproduce here and it isn't really anything to do with PID. Anyway, it is an interesting read about the club that George Harrison was involved in and, I hope, at least voodooguru will be interested!  |
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Post by ticket2ride on Oct 21, 2013 11:24:05 GMT -5
Nothing Is Real's photos of Paul and maybe 'Paul' show the differences especially in the nose.
Paul could have had a nose job of course which would account for the thinner nose instead of the broader one that Paul Mac had up til that date in 1966 when nobody saw him for a while. But the clincher seems to be how Paul's nostrils changed. If you have a nose job you don't tend to make your nostrils more pinched. The original Paul had a decent nose and nostrils that were broader rather than narrower although they were regular looking and not big.
Of course one of the most compelling reasons to think that the later Paul was not Paul is the way in which the Paul McCartney who surfaced after the missing period looked at least 4 yrs older and counting. Noses do get bigger with age, features tend to change but as others have pointed out over a period of time that is definitely not some months. It also seems to me that the later Paul has a different upper lip - close ups of the younger Paul seem to show a smaller upper lip.
Re the blog entry Beacon - fascinating stuff. Interesting especially about Joe Meek. I don't think he was responsible for the murder of that young man but of course in those days when homosexual men had to lead double lives he was probably terrified of being questioned by the police about things he may have known about but not done.
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Post by linus on Oct 21, 2013 14:59:12 GMT -5
Let's get the semantics straight. Was it that 'nobody saw him for awhile', or was it that he wasn't involved in anything that warranted documentation; like studio recording, etc.
Did literally "nobody" see him?
And how long was this period in question?
The Melody M(t)aker Awards was somewhere between Sept. 9th and Sep. 13th. Btw, why is there no record of what date this took place on? I did find a magazine that says it was on the 13th.
I wish I had a better handle on this topic, but it's so hard to keep track of how hard it is to keep track of.
Voodoo and Beacon need to put together a tutorial package on it.
We at least know McCartney was allegedly with Mal at some point in November, right?
If he literally vanished into thin air for 2 months without his friends & acquaintances knowing he was going to be away, that would be cause for alarm. But as it is, there seems to be no missing persons reports or stories of people wondering why they hadn't seem in for awhile.
I don't find the 'missing period' fishy, I find the never-ending contradicting stories fishy. And it doesn't just happen in 1966.
Beatles lore is riddled with contradictions. For one, the official story, even told by John in 1964, is that Ringo coined the phrase "A hard day's night" on the set of the film. But in Lennon's book 'In His Own Write', he uses the phrase. The book was written and published before the filming began.
And for the record, those are SunKing and PlasticMacca's comparisons; who are both notoriously staggeringly unthorough. For every image of him with one kind of nose, there's another with another kind of nose, and so on & so on - taking place long before 1966 and continuing to this day. But they have a way of showing only the handful of photos they want you to see, to convey their theory; and not looking for the big picture.
(the ironic thing is, I think some of their comparisons make for good PIA comps).
The Superman one was mine, to show the hair part. (But I found the 2012 Superman had been flipped). My question is if a Paul impostor had surgery, why would they make his nose look different? And lips? two of the easiest things to fix. And ear lobes? And couldn't they make him look not "4 years older"? And most of all, why would they go to all that trouble and then not remember to part the hair on the left?
If anything, I believe these subtle, and sometimes subjective, discrepancies were done on purpose to fuel the PID legend and solidify the entire motif they were going for throughout the whole their career. Even the "disappearing act" of Sep-Nov could very well have been intentionally orchestrated for such a cause.
Then why did you post it in this thread? just kidding, just kidding.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Oct 21, 2013 17:42:19 GMT -5
Nothing Is Real's photos of Paul and maybe 'Paul' show the differences especially in the nose. Paul could have had a nose job of course which would account for the thinner nose instead of the broader one that Paul Mac had up til that date in 1966 when nobody saw him for a while. But the clincher seems to be how Paul's nostrils changed. If you have a nose job you don't tend to make your nostrils more pinched. The original Paul had a decent nose and nostrils that were broader rather than narrower although they were regular looking and not big. Of course one of the most compelling reasons to think that the later Paul was not Paul is the way in which the Paul McCartney who surfaced after the missing period looked at least 4 yrs older and counting. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nose jobs cannot make the nose shorter, hence the later Fauls/Bills had a longer nose at the tip as JPM had a quite short nose. The nostrils do not get smaller either and to make it narrower would end up with a "Michael Jackson" scenario. Hence someone with a bigger, longer nose cannot end up with a small upturned nose. The replacement "Bill" was reputedly older than JPM, around seven years older; that's why Paul did not look cute any more as it was not Paul anyway but the person was also older. This would make the present incumbent to be about 78; ridiculous even with all the surgery so it appears, as I have pointed out before, the Jensen Rufe video which states that Bill died in 1977 could be accurate. From late 1966, Paul was contantly seen "shadowed" by Mal Evans and Mal even moved in with him to his house in St John's Wood! Mal went wit him to Kenya (via France, Vatican City and Spain)probably as his "handler". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 20:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by beacon on Oct 22, 2013 8:51:06 GMT -5
Paul is interviewed in this months copy of Mojo magazine in which he claims he is 5'10" with hazel eyes and that he is/was as tall as John. The printed lies!  |
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Post by beacon on Oct 22, 2013 9:07:46 GMT -5
More printed lies  |
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Post by beacon on Oct 22, 2013 9:14:27 GMT -5
Right now I'm going through all images 1967. You know another thing that bothers me? Guess. The moustaches! When did everyone grow theirs and how long did it take. We see in December 1966, all four Beatles had a moustache. On November 11th, 1966 the Daily Mirror reports The Beatles at a crossroads. Harrison is the only one sporting a moustache. In-between this time, Harrison shaved his off, and the one Ringo was growing on holiday was shaved off as well -- so by November the only Beatle with a moustache was ... Paul. There is a picture of George & Ringo entering EMI without moustaches, so in-between India and the December 1966 interview outside of EMI, George re-grew his moustache. As did Ringo. Paul disappears sometime after the MM awards ceremonies, around 19th September 1966, correct? The next time you hear about him seems to be leaving England on the 6th November for France. The next footage of him surfaces with moustache somewhere in-between the 13th - 18th November, 1966. So really what you'd want to find is: Images of him between September 1966 thru to November 1966 while he's growing that moustache. And you know what? I've never seen anything like that in all the photos I've ever seen of things called Beatles. No mid-stage, almost grown McCartney moustache leading up to Pepper. The Beatlemania haircut, into the Pepper haircut --- nope, not that either. No transitional stage documented. There's this nearly two month gap where this guy just drops off the face of the earth. Which is why everyone comes here saying Paul Is Dead! I get that. But how can the most photographed band of its time, just have a member vanish and not be in the public eye? Surely there must be some coverage of him or some archive of his whereabouts? No pictures of him at all? Nothing? The whole moustache thing, especially with drawing them in on George & Paul in The Beatles Book Monthly, does this not seem odd to you how much this hair growth was being pushed through the media. I understand that's how pop news works, oh look they have earwax now! Wow! I get it. And it must have been quite a shock for Beatlemaniacs, so i can see why it was so newsworthy in that kind of treadmill of BeatleNews things. It's just something that occurred to me really. How long does it take to grow a moustache, well til it's not stubble, and actually resembles something. I'd say a good 3 to 4 weeks. Everyone's different though. I have to find that picture showing George & Ringo in late 1966 both without moustaches.   |
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Post by beacon on Oct 22, 2013 9:36:39 GMT -5
Now we head back to LSD, and The Process Church. A Processean questionnaire, interesting second question!  Which leads us to perhaps the most famous proponent of brainwashing, and, another Process 'celebrity' interviewee  McCartney quote from Process Fear magazine - note the three 'celebrities' quoted; Paul, Jane and Roy Boulting, producer/director of The Family Way  Talking of the Family Way  Note how they insist the moustache is real! It's all brainwashing. |
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Post by beacon on Oct 22, 2013 9:47:24 GMT -5
26th December 1965. That Moped Accident(what follows is just brainstorming.) It's the stories told about that Moped accident. He did an interview in June 1966. He stated that he'd just bashed his tooth in, and his appearance looked a bit down, because they had been recording that spring for the album. On the 18th May they recorded Got To Get You Into My Life until 2.30am. Then on the 19th started filming the Rain and Paperback Writer videos. But it's the 20th at Chiswick House filming videos for the same songs that his lip looks agitated and puffy, and his appearance looks ill. He said he started growing a moustache, because the scar was embarassing and he knew he'd be appearing in magazines and such. But you can find so many photos posed for and sent to magazines between Dec 1965 and May 1966. He didn't think about that at all when posing for those, nor to get the tooth fixed. The rest started growing moustaches like I did. Well, not until December 1966 at best. George in India yes. Ringo apparently too, but they'd been back from Spain and India since November at the latest. And they (John, George & Ringo) do appear unshaven before the 20th December 1966 filmed interviews where they all have moustaches. In fact, Paul was the only one for a short time. The story just does not add up. Coupled with the appearance in Feb 1967 in Beatles Book Monthly of 3 articles all placed together. Mopeds (john + ringo) Moustaches (all 4) Car Crash Black Mini (Paul's Death Rumour) -- it's just odd that these 3 stories appear on the same page of Beatles Book Monthly. It's almost like it's telling you something. The Mini Paul had was Green, not Black. Paul says he started growing a moustache to cover the scar, but the scar was already a year had, and the chipped tooth for 6 months. John & Ringo Moped story. Is this telling us the Moped accident killed him? January 21st, 1966, Paul is best man at George's Wedding -- he has the chipped tooth. Is that too soon to make an appearance for a double? Was the double in place already? Was the chipped tooth/lip scar just a cover story? There is just something about that Moped accident that bugs the hell out of me. The story told does not match up to the timeframe or incidents that followed. 3 deaths occur in 1966. Alma Cogan, Kevin MacDonald, and Tara Browne. There's also a member of the Fourmost that dies in March 1966. Millward I think his surname was. But it's these 3 deaths that bug me as well. Cogan died of stomach cancer. Suspected cause of this was a highly experimental weight loss drug she was injecting. Kevin MacDonald was co-owner of Sibylla's with Tara Browne. Harrison had a 10% shareholding in Kevin MacDonald Associates Ltd. MacDonald threw himself off a roof. Did he fall or was he pushed. Don't know. Don't know what happened to Harrison's share in Sybilla's OR KMA Ltd. Tara Browne died in a fatal car crash. Coroner's report states there was nothing in his system at time of death that suggested reckless or lack of reaction skills -- he saved his passenger's life with his quick reaction to the oncoming parked vehicle. These happened within a very short time span October - December 1966. MacDonald first, then Cogan about 11 days later, then Browne in the last month of 1966. (But it doesn't stop there -- you then have Joe Meek, Joe Orton, Harry Epstein, Brian Epstein ... it keeps going. Moped. Hmm. June 1966 Beatles Monthly  Six months after the alleged date and note, the story does not say anything about Christmas 1965. |
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Post by beacon on Oct 22, 2013 10:07:47 GMT -5
The Beatles timeframe Sept 66 - Jan 67 according to Barry Miles; some highlights  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  |
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Post by linus on Oct 22, 2013 13:28:06 GMT -5
"During this second birth of The Beatles, there will be some confusion and contradiction (even among the boys themselves)" Thanks for the warning. |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 22, 2013 14:03:17 GMT -5
Now we head back to LSD, and The Process Church. A Processean questionnaire, interesting second question! ! |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 22, 2013 14:04:22 GMT -5
(Process) Death Cab for Cutie alright!
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 22, 2013 14:20:30 GMT -5
Btw Linus, have you read or heard about "Project Superman"?
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 22, 2013 14:33:29 GMT -5
Now we head back to LSD, and The Process Church. Talking of the Family Way Note how they insist the moustache is real! It's all brainwashing. In this article we're supplied some kind of time frame. McCartney goes off on Safari Holiday. He returns on the 19th November, 1966. George Martin corners him at his house. Give me the music Paul, give it to me now! Paul gives him 15 seconds. George is unsatisfied. What follows are NINE DAYS OF CONCENTRATION. (George and Paul sit very furrowed brow and concentrate very hard.) So let's say they begin on the ... 20th. Just to give Paul some time to get back home and settle in. 20 + 9 = 29th November, 1966. Those mysterious 5 recording sessions spread out over 3 days and nights. This HAS to occur sometime before the "it was ready only 2 weeks before the movie premiered." CUT-OFF date: 4th December, 1966. So they had to be concentrating on The Family Way during ... Strawberry Fields Forever and The Christmas Album. Lewisohn makes no mention of The Family Way being worked on whatsoever in The Beatles Recording Sessions. None. There are days unaccounted for in the legends 21st - 23rd November, 1966 . 26th - 27th November, 1966, and the 30th November thru the 2nd December, 1966. All days accounted for are occupied by either Strawberry Fields Forever or The Christmas Album. So WHEN. At least we got NINE DAYS OF CONCENTRATION. |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 22, 2013 15:29:58 GMT -5
The Beatles timeframe Sept 66 - Jan 67 according to Barry Miles; some highlights -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This grand clock? The clock gate, Bordeaux, France  We know Barry is lying, or is being told a lie by McCartney. He's on behalf lying. We know what Mal Evans wrote at the time. They began a 10 day holiday starting on a Tuesday evening, which has to be the 8th November, 1966, which makes their return on the 19th absolutely plausible. Once leaving France (leaving behind an antique double barreled shotgun) they drive through San Sebastian, Madrid, Cordoba and Malaga to Torremolinos San Sebastián, Gipuzkoa, Spain 4 hours 16 minsMadrid, Spain 452.3 km Madrid, Spain 4 hours 32 minsCórdoba, Spain 425.8 km Córdoba, Spain 2 hours 33 minsMálaga, Spain 198.7 km Málaga, Spain 20 minsTorremolinos, Málaga, Spain 17.3 km Let's call it a good 12 hours of driving with no stops. With stops who knows. ASTON MARTIN DB5 SPECS: Model DB5 Top Speed 144 mph 0-60 mph 8.0 seconds Fuel Consumption 15 mpg 15 mpg is 24.1402 kpg. Meaning they went through 17.6 gallons of petrol on each of the first two legs of the trip. The original intention was to drive east along the coast and meet up with Lennon in Almeria. Torremolinos, Málaga, Spain 2 hours 41 minsAlmería, Spain 223.4 km But they call up London to find --- Lennon's on his way back to London. Which is a lie. He was already in London by the 6th November. Evans meets McCartney on the 8th November, in the evening. They drove until they felt like stopping, then booked a decent hotel. So this has to take them into the 9th November. They rest etc. They take time to take in the sites of Southern France, buying souvenirs, shooting movies. Etc. No hurry. They then undertake this journey into Spain which consists of at least 12 hours of driving. So this must take them into the 10th November, 1966 without doubt. A brilliant plan is hatched. Let's go on Safari. So from the supposed starting point of Torremolinos they drive to Seville. Torremolinos, Málaga, Spain 2 hours 9 minsSeville, Sevilla, Spain 217.5 km They decide to fly to Madrid from Seville. If they drive it, it'll take about 4 hours. If they fly, maybe just over an hour, under two hours. That's if they get an immediate flight out. Where are they going? To Rome to catch a plane to Nairobi. A non-stop flight from Madrid to Rome takes about 2.5 hours. That's if they get an immediate flight out. What day are they on now? Somewhere between the 10th and 11th November. They then get to Rome. Which includes a 10 hour layover before they can fly to Nairobi. Let's say they're into the late 11th, early 12th by this point. Flight Time between Leonardo da Vinci International Airport and Jomo Kenyatta International Airport is 9 hours 5 minutesPractically all of one day is spent being in Rome, and then flying from Rome to Nairobi. Day 1 (287 Km) Day's Itinerary: JOMO KENYATTA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT --> TSAVO West National Park Day's Travel Time: 319 Minutes - 5 hour(s) 19 minutes(s) They spend 2 days here. They then go to Ambosali Park. It truly depends if they went to West Tsavo National or East Tsavo National . There's two parts to the park. From the airport to East Tsavo is actually longer. (6 hours 15mins apx) Day 1 (205 Km) Day's Itinerary: Tsavo West National Park --> Amboseli National Park Day's Travel Time: 288 Minutes - 4 hour(s) 48 minutes(s) Paul gets sick. For a day or too (Mal's spelling.) They then travel to stay at the Treetops Hotel (as Mal called it.) Treetops Lodge Nyeri Main Rd Nyeri, Kenya From Amboseli to Nyeri is: 383 km, 6 hours 49 mins If this is in fact where they stayed. They film the sunrise, stay at a YMCA before taking a Friday night flight home. Which fits in with a 10 day holiday starting on a Tuesday, 8th November, lands in Nairobi, possibly by the 12th November ( a Friday) and flies back out the following week. With no mention of Jane Asher. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 17:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by linus on Oct 23, 2013 1:41:46 GMT -5
Hey, and did you know Malus means apple in latin?
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 23, 2013 11:29:01 GMT -5
My latest blog piece about Sibyllas nightclub. Too long to reproduce here and it isn't really anything to do with PID. Anyway, it is an interesting read about the club that George Harrison was involved in and, I hope, at least voodooguru will be interested! I almost missed this in the kerfuffle. I read through the first section just to get an idea of what is being looked at. I find that very surprising that you think this has not much to do with PID! I think it has a great deal to do with it, especially when Epstein turns up dead and later Jacobs. And Asher. I think this has a lot to do with PID. And throw Saville into the mix and it all just gets blah. Especially when you see the same names keep popping up, like Driberg. Very interesting about MacDonald's background. I'm just going to add it to the double car accidents of Suki and Sarah Potier in the strange, odd and coincidental pile.  |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 23, 2013 13:52:26 GMT -5
Brief article on Millionairess Charwoman Works in London Home: news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19620308&id=9ERjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RHQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3242,1380862 She being Sibylla Edmonstone, the great granddaughter of Marshall Field. Other Field Facts: Marshall Field's, the eponymous department store he founded. Field Enterprises, holding company for newspapers and TV stations. Marshall Field III (1893–1956), publisher, Chicago Sun founder, investment banker, bankrolled Saul Alinsky Marshall Field IV, publisher, owner of the Chicago Sun newspaper Frederick "Ted" Field (founder of Interscope Communications and co-founder of Interscope Records) Saul Alinsky seems to me to be a very interesting dude. Here's a picture of Sibylla with her boyfriend. And his singing partner.  Peter And Gordon Off To U.S.A.: Pop stars Peter and Gordon flew off from London airport today to New York for engagements. Photo shows. Peter (left) and Gordon at London Airport today. In centre is Sibylla Edmonstone (girl friend of Gordon). |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 23, 2013 14:09:53 GMT -5
The interior decorator of Sibylla's.  David Mlinaric CBE (born 12 March 1939) is a British interior decorator of Slovenian descent. His work ranges from commissions for private clients including Lord Rothschild and Mick Jagger to public galleries and museums – the National Gallery, London, the National Portrait Gallery, London and Victoria and Albert museum among them – as well as many buildings belonging to the National Trust. He has designed or decorated interiors from all over the world, including the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden, houses and flats in England, Ireland and the United States, Italy, Corfu, and Mustique, and the British Embassies in Washington and Paris. Oh dear, As soon as a Rothschild comes up, it's asking for trouble. |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 23, 2013 14:14:20 GMT -5
In regards to the George Harrison / John Lennon appearance at Sibylla's.    The captions read as follows: 1) The Family at Sybilla's 2) Champagne was served by six dolly girls, including Ingrid Boulting (left), here with Tony Hicks of The Hollies 3) DJ Kenny Everett with Tony King, John Peel and Johnny Bonding 4) Rob Townsend, The Family's drummer, with Jimmy Miller 5) Response to The Family was fantastic, as Kenny Everett's expression testifies 6) Party host John Gilbert with Bob Reisdorff, head of Liberty Records 7) Mim Scala and Sir William Pigott-Brown with actors Iain Quarrier and Harry Baird. Previous page: rare smiles from Beatles John Lennon and George Harrison. |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 23, 2013 14:30:46 GMT -5
Interesting snippet from Derek Taylor's Fifty Years Adrift.  |
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Oct 23, 2013 15:01:17 GMT -5
According to legend: MICHAEL COOPER: His best known work is the cover photography for the 1967 LP Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by The Beatles. The "Welcome the Rolling Stones, Good Guys" sweatshirt worn by the "little girl" figure on the far right of the photo (actually a cloth figure of Shirley Temple) was provided by Cooper's young son Adam,[1] the product of his marriage to Rose, his muse and model. Up for contention! As this blog entry will tell you. THE BEATLES, THE STONES AND MARY SCRUGGS |
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