Your theory about what happened to Paul

[cherilyn7]

And a good time was had by all? Notably, on the guest list, Paul McCartney was listed without a partner. No mention of Jane Asher. Gordon Waller was there (half of Peter (Asher)& Gordon singing duo who had 2 hits by Lennon/McCartney but not Peter Asher. Two directors were dead within six months and the club was closed within the year? Interesting stuff, vOOdOOgurU.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Oct 21, 2013 10:10:59 GMT -5 beacon said:

My latest blog piece about Sibyllas nightclub.

Too long to reproduce here and it isn't really anything to do with PID. Anyway, it is an interesting read about the club that George Harrison was involved in and, I hope, at least voodooguru will be interested!

Quoting from your blog:

But anyway, back to the directors; let us begin with Kevin MacDonald. Don’t be put off by the rather common, almost working-class, moniker; MacDonald was the nephew, some say cousin, of Viscount Rothermere (Harold Harmsworth) who, with his brother, founded and owned the awful right-wing British rag the Daily Mail. Harmsworth, who counted Mussolini and Hitler amongst his friends, would use this pedestal to write, and publish, articles promoting Oswald Mosley and his vile group of British fascists.

Rothermere’s wife, Lady Ann Rothermere, would later leave him to marry 007 author, and MI5 operative, Ian Fleming.

Tara Browne’s mother was Oonagh Guinness who was related to Bryan Guinness who, in 1929, married Diana Mitford. Mitford would later leave Guinness for the aforementioned Sir Oswald Mosley, and their son Max would later race motor cars for Len Street Engineering, for whom Tara Browne worked and from where he purchased the Lotus in which he would die.

From Wikipedia; "Diana, Lady Mosley (née Freeman-Mitford; 17 June 1910 – 11 August 2003) was one of Britain's noted Mitford sisters and hailed as one of the great beauties of her generation. She married Sir Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists in 1936, at the home of Joseph Goebbels, with Adolf Hitler as guest of honour. Subsequently her involvement with right-wing political causes resulted in three years' internment during the Second World War. Her obituary in The Daily Telegraph referred to her as an "unrepentant Nazi and effortlessly charming.""

So, whilst I may have digressed a little, you can see that MacDonald came from fairly odious stock. Reportedly a photographer, some say advertising executive, by trade, MacDonald would not live to see much success from the club as, on October 15, 1966, he would fall to his death from the roof of a Chelsea building in, extremely, suspicious circumstances.

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Which only goes to remind me of John Dunbar's family history (Dunbar of MAD Ltd. Miles/Asher/Dunbar). From my own blog:

MAD LTD.

Let's go in reverse through these gentlemen's backgrounds. Just to be trendy.
Firstly the D in MAD, John Dunbar. Well, first, let's look at his Father, Robert Dunbar, one time Cultural attaché in Moscow.

Robert ('Bob') Dunbar (1914-2000), film director, producer, teacher and critic, was a pioneer of the field of film studies in Britain but also worked extensively in the industry in numerous capacities. He was apprenticed to producer Erich Pommer at Germany's Ufa Studios but returned to England when Hitler came to power in 1933. He worked first at Gainsborough studios as an assistant director, then as a production manager at Alexander Korda's London Films, where he assisted Alfred Hitchcock and René Clair; he also worked closely on William Cameron Menzies' film of H.G. Wells' Things to Come (1936).

In 1937, with the near total collapse of British film production, Bob found it increasingly difficult to get work and, two years later, he took off for Hollywood, en route making a detour to Mexico, where he met his future wife, Tatiana, the daughter of elite Russian émigrés. When the second world war broke out, he registered at the British consulate and they married. He was soon seconded to the Ministry of Information, and later moved to the Foreign Office as deputy head of the inter-allied information office in Mexico and the Caribbean.

In November 1944, Bob was posted to Moscow as a cultural attaché, in charge of press, public and cultural relations at the British embassy. He also edited a newspaper, British Ally. The film director Sergei Eisenstein would frequently dine at the Dunbars' rat-infested flat and, on one occasion, waited in the dark of the kitchen to catch a rodent, which he proudly presented on a covered dish.

In 1953 he became a producer with Group III, a government-sponsored organisation aimed at nurturing new talent. After a brief period working on comedies at Hammer Films, he produced one of his most successful films The Man Upstairs (1958) starring Richard Attenborough. However, production of British films was becoming increasingly difficult, and he set about teaching at a small art school in South London, which he bought and transformed into the London School of Film Technique. Early students of the LSFT included Mike Leigh, Iain Sinclair and Bill Douglas. In 1974 the School went into liquidation, but it survives today as the London International Film School.
Along with Roy Fowler, Dunbar instigated the BECTU Film History Project, an extensive archival research initiative aiming to preserve oral histories, ephemera, papers and artefacts pertaining to the history of film production in Britain. He also chaired the Journal Committee of the film technicians' union ACTT, of which he was made an honorary member.

www.guardian.co.uk/news/2000/jun/06/guardianobituaries.filmnews

archiveshub.ac.uk/data/gb2869-bdc3

Wow. And when you cant find work in the dried up film industry, you just kind of drift to the Foreign Office as deputy head of the inter-allied information office in Mexico and the Caribbean. And then kind of drift into working directly in Moscow during the final throes of the war with Germany. The country you were expelled from when Hitler came to power. Okay!

[cherilyn7]

And his son married the daughter of an "Austrian baroness".

[vOOdOOgurU]

The black curse strikes Guinness dynasty again

More Guinness history ... with death.

GUINNESS FAMILY
Photo by Stephen Barnes

Guinness began in the brewery of Arthur Guinness (1725–1803) in Dublin.

It is now owned by the controversial multi-national conglomerate named Diageo.

On 9 May 2008, Diageo announced that breweries in Kilkenny and Dundalk will be closed by 2013.

In September 2009, a court heard that during a flight from India to the UK, Clare Irby, a descendant of the Guinness family had allegedly got drunk, bragged about taking opium, called one crew member a 'bitch' and tossed aside a soiled nappy.

An oversight by the UK's controversial Crown Prosecution Service meant that Irby walked free from the court. (Toff cleared of jet booze charge)

From The Independent on Sunday, 20 September 2009, (Happy birthday Guinness! The Black Stuff at 250.), and other sources, we learn:

1. Three of Arthur Guinness's grandchildren became alcoholics.

2. The third Arthur Guinness was gay and had a brief affair with the young playwright, Dion Boucicault.

The fourth Arthur Guinness (Lord Ardilaun) was probably gay.

He was member of parliament for Dublin in London's House of Commons.

A court case revealed voter bribery (£5 a vote) by his agents.

(Who was Arthur Guinness? It depends on which one you mean. The Guinnesses: The Untold Story of Irelands Most Successful Family , by Joe Joyce).

3. In 1929, Bryan Guinness married Diana Mitford.

Nancy left Guinness and went off with the British fascist leader Oswald Mosley.

4. In 1944 Walter Edward Guinness, the first Baron Moyne, was assassinated in Cairo where he was Resident Minister of State.

5. In 1966, Tara Browne, the 21-year-old son of Oonagh Guinness, died when he crashed his car.

6. Tara's sister, Tessa, died of an asthma attack aged 14.

7. Prince Frederick of Prussia was married to Lady Brigid Guinness. In 1966 Prince frederick drowned.

8. In 1954, Norris and Ross McWhirter were commissioned to compile what became The Guinness Book of Records.

According to The Observer (4 September 1977) Ross McWhirter had close links to G. K.Young, ex Deputy Director of MI6.

In 1975, Ross McWhirter was murdered by the IRA.

9. In 1978, Lady Henrietta Guinness jumped to her death off an aqueduct in Italy.

10. In 1978 four-year-old Peter Guinness died in a car crash.

11. In 1978 Major Denys Guinness died of a drugs overdose.

12. In 1986 Olivia Channon, aged 22, great-granddaughter of Rupert Guinness, died of a drugs overdose.

13. In 1986, Jennifer, the wife of the banker John Guinness, was kidnapped in Dublin.

14. In 1988, Sheridan Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood, son of Maureen Guinness, died of an Aids-related illness in 1988.

15. In 1986, John Guinness died when he fell off Mount Snowdon.

16. In 2004, Robert Hesketh, the husband of Catherine Guinness, died after taking heroin, cocaine and alcohol.

~

The Guinness share-trading fraud was a famous scandal of the 1980s.

It involved an attempt to manipulate the stock market on a massive scale to inflate the price of Guinness shares and thus assist a £2.7 billion take-over bid for the Scottish drinks company Distillers.

A top British Jew called Gerald Ronson became known in the UK as one of the 'Guinness Four' for his part in the Guinness share-trading fraud along with Ernest Saunders and business associates Jack Lyons and Anthony Parnes.

Ronson "was convicted in August 1990 of one charge of conspiracy, two of false accounting, and one of theft, and was fined £5 million and given a one-year jail sentence." - Gerald Ronson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[vOOdOOgurU]

Oct 21, 2013 10:10:59 GMT -5 beacon said:

My latest blog piece about Sibyllas nightclub.

Too long to reproduce here and it isn't really anything to do with PID. Anyway, it is an interesting read about the club that George Harrison was involved in and, I hope, at least voodooguru will be interested!

From your blog:

So, we have established the Krays involvement in Sibylla’s and we have ascertained that they have been accused in the past of running a paedophile ring. I wonder just how central the nightclub was to this conspiracy?

Well, let's start by looking at that guest list.

The first one that came up notable was Eric Swayne. Photographer.
Here he is with his love at the time. Until she ended up with George Harrison.


The man with them is David Bailey, photographer. One of his most famous images is this:


The Krays.

Along with Terence Donovan and Brian Duffy, Bailey captured and helped create the 'Swinging London' of the 1960s: a culture of fashion and celebrity chic. The three photographers socialised with actors, musicians and royalty, and found themselves elevated to celebrity status. Together, they were the first real celebrity photographers, named by Norman Parkinson "the Black Trinity".

It's believed the character in the film BLOW UP is based on Bailey. Bailey also took some pretty famous images of Lennon & McCartney.
The Black Trinity. Gosh. What a sinister name. Anyway.

That's on a first pass of Swayne. Anything controversial. Nothing truly yet. Bailey seems more controversial.
As you quoted in your blog, ‘Primrose Hill revisited’ by Chuck Anderson mentions Bailey and Donovan.

According to Stephen, as a kind of dark background to enhance the display of glittering names on the membership list, there also appeared the anonymous pseudonyms of most of London’s top gangsters.
Stephen had taken her to the opening. Mary Quant and Alexander Plunkett Greene were there, as well as all four Beatles and most of the Stones with their new wives or crumpet, David Bailey, Terence Donovan and Celia Hammond, Michael Caine, and — Claudia gasped like a schoolgirl when Stephen introduced her — a shimmering Julie Christie.

Of the Black Trinity, only the Son and the Father are invited to Sibyllas - Bailey and Donovan. Brian Duffy isn't on the guest list. (hence he shows up in spirit) Terence Donovan committed suicide in 1996.

The morning after his death was announced, with the chilling undertow of its self-infliction, five men counting themselves as members of his most intimate circle telephoned each other in utter consternation. Anyone else, they said one to another, one times five and five times one, anyone else but Donovan. They'd have understood if it'd been a man with observable volatility. Just not Donovan. Not in a thousand years. He was too controlled, too balanced, too centred in his own skin, too philosophical, the very obverse of a suicide. They say so to this day. The more astute of them conclude that, perhaps, he was simply unknowable, that the sweet, equable, funny, generous, diligent, well-mannered Terry they knew merely chose consciously to guard his private self from all-comers. There was nothing they could have done

THE MYSTERY OF TERENCE DONOVAN

[vOOdOOgurU]

Another party goer ---
Nick Gormanston.
Otherwise known as:


Jenico Nicholas Dudley Preston, 17th Viscount Gormanston was born on 19 November 1939.3 He is the son of Jenico William Richard Preston, 16th Viscount Gormanston and Pamela Hanly.1 He married, firstly, Eva Antonie Landzianowska, daughter of Felix Landzianowski, in 1974.4 He married, secondly, Lucy Arabella Fox, daughter of Edward Charles Morice Fox and Clare Tracy Compton Pelissier, in November 1997 at Kensington, London, England.5,6. Jenico Nicholas Dudley Preston, 17th Viscount Gormanston usually went by his middle name of Nicholas.3 He succeeded to the title of 17th Viscount Gormanston [I., 1478] on 9 June 1940.7 He succeeded to the title of 20th Lord Preston of Gormanston [I., 1370] on 9 June 1940.3 He succeeded to the title of 5th Baron Gormanston of Whitewood, co. Meath [U.K., 1868] on 9 June 1940.

His great-grandfather was Sir William Francis Butler of Bansha Castle, County Tipperary, and his great-grandmother was the celebrated Victorian artist Elizabeth Thompson, aka Lady Elizabeth Butler.

He succeeded to the title before his first birthday, when his father died in action at Dunkirk during the Battle of France, 1940. He is a connoisseur of art and lives in Kensington, London. His ancestral seat is Gormanston Castle in County Meath, Ireland, though it is no longer in the family's possession. The castle is fully maintained by the Franciscan Order of Friars Minor (OFM), who bought it circa 1950. Shortly after its purchase, the order opened a boarding school for boys, and more recently a co-educational day school, Gormanston College, was established in the adjacent grounds.

Everybody knows by now that boarding schools for boys and religion don't always mix so well. No accusation is being made.

[beacon]

Oct 23, 2013 13:52:26 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

Brief article on Millionairess Charwoman Works in London Home:
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19620308&id=9ERjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RHQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3242,1380862

She being Sibylla Edmonstone, the great granddaughter of Marshall Field. Other Field Facts:

Marshall Field's, the eponymous department store he founded.
Field Enterprises, holding company for newspapers and TV stations.
Marshall Field III (1893–1956), publisher, Chicago Sun founder, investment banker, bankrolled Saul Alinsky
Marshall Field IV, publisher, owner of the Chicago Sun newspaper
Frederick "Ted" Field (founder of Interscope Communications and co-founder of Interscope Records)

Saul Alinsky seems to me to be a very interesting dude.

Here's a picture of Sibylla with her boyfriend. And his singing partner.

View AttachmentPeter And Gordon Off To U.S.A.: Pop stars Peter and Gordon flew off from London airport today to New York for engagements. Photo shows. Peter (left) and Gordon at London Airport today. In centre is Sibylla Edmonstone (girl friend of Gordon).

Very interesting! I did not know this.

It is amazing how, that in a city of eight million or so inhabitants like London, the Beatles and the Stones could operate in such a small circle of associates!

[beacon]

Oct 23, 2013 17:55:52 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

And his son married the daughter of an "Austrian baroness".

Yes, and another who would grace the cover of a Process magazine

Though, by this point, she had left Dunbar for another Process star.

Mindbending indeed!!

[beacon]

Oct 23, 2013 14:30:46 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

Interesting snippet from Derek Taylor's Fifty Years Adrift.

View Attachment

Wow!

Do you have this book?

[beacon]

Bailey and Donovan weren't the only photographers on the guest list that night.

The following snippet comes from Mim Scala's book Memoirs of a Teddy Boy. Scala, incidentally, founded the Scala Browne Agency with Sibylla's director Sir William Piggot-Brown.

Vic Singh, who had shot the credits for Alfie, was one of the most remarkable photographers of the early Sixties, the first Asian to break into the mainstream fashion world. His experimental pop videos for Island Records were to set trends. Vic and a young film editor with a promising reputation called Keith Green persuaded the Beatles to let them make a documentary based on the song A Day in the Life, commemorating the untimely death of the Byronic ('He didn't notice that the lights had changed') Tara Browne, a friend of mine as well as theirs. But Vic and Keith never came back from this project, or were so radically changed their careers just seemed to stop. They both suddenly withdrew from the scene, renouncing the material business world. These were heavy psychedelic times, and there were casualties. Vic withdrew to dedicate the next decade to the study of time and light, in search of the perfect photograph, destroying much of his fabulous archive of images which had capturd the major happenings of Sixties fashion and the evolution of the King's Road.

Another interesting tale from this book is Scala's claim that Denny Cordell, who produced the Moody Blues when Denny Laine was a member, was involved in Seltaeb with Nicky Byrne. Seltaeb, of course, was the company formed to licence Beatles merchandise and that was such a disaster that it irrepairably damaged Brian Epstein's reputation and that of David Jacob's too.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Oct 24, 2013 4:39:09 GMT -5 beacon said:

Oct 23, 2013 13:52:26 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

Very interesting! I did not know this.

It is amazing how, that in a city of eight million or so inhabitants like London, the Beatles and the Stones could operate in such a small circle of associates!

An amazingly close circle indeed.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Oct 24, 2013 5:05:03 GMT -5 beacon said:

Oct 23, 2013 14:30:46 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

Interesting snippet from Derek Taylor's Fifty Years Adrift.

View Attachment

Wow!

Do you have this book?

I wish! I remember when it came out, but the price tag even then was too much for a kid with a paper round. The best bet anyone would have truly was a suggestion at the page I found the snippets --- public library might have it. Which I think I should check, because a friend of mine was hounding me last night that I lived in London and had never been in a single library since my arrival. I take it this is my cue.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Oct 24, 2013 5:13:51 GMT -5 beacon said:

Bailey and Donovan weren't the only photographers on the guest list that night.

The following snippet comes from Mim Scala's book Memoirs of a Teddy Boy. Scala, incidentally, founded the Scala Browne Agency with Sibylla's director Sir William Piggot-Brown.

Vic Singh, who had shot the credits for Alfie, was one of the most remarkable photographers of the early Sixties, the first Asian to break into the mainstream fashion world. His experimental pop videos for Island Records were to set trends. Vic and a young film editor with a promising reputation called Keith Green persuaded the Beatles to let them make a documentary based on the song A Day in the Life, commemorating the untimely death of the Byronic ('He didn't notice that the lights had changed') Tara Browne, a friend of mine as well as theirs. But Vic and Keith never came back from this project, or were so radically changed their careers just seemed to stop. They both suddenly withdrew from the scene, renouncing the material business world. These were heavy psychedelic times, and there were casualties. Vic withdrew to dedicate the next decade to the study of time and light, in search of the perfect photograph, destroying much of his fabulous archive of images which had capturd the major happenings of Sixties fashion and the evolution of the King's Road.

Another interesting tale from this book is Scala's claim that Denny Cordell, who produced the Moody Blues when Denny Laine was a member, was involved in Seltaeb with Nicky Byrne. Seltaeb, of course, was the company formed to licence Beatles merchandise and that was such a disaster that it irrepairably damaged Brian Epstein's reputation and that of David Jacob's too.

That IS a very interesting tale. Kind of sounds like that "Peter Green (and Danny Kirwan) went to a party in Munich and NEVER came back the same way again" story that Mick Fleetwood and John McVie tell. But the way they tell it, doesn't make sense. Not to me at least. But that's a different story. But it involves a couple luring Peter Green into their clutches, in order to obtain access to The Rolling Stones for a gig. Which is odd they'd go for Peter, since Mick Fleetwood would seem a better way of gaining access to the Stones, because he's about to marry Jenny Boyd, the sister of Pattie Boyd, who's married to a Beatle. And considering one of the couple had a romance with Jimi Hendrix, why they need Peter Green is a mystery.

Seltaeb. Whenever I think of Seltaeb, I think of the Caribbean. Don't ask me why.

[beacon]

Oct 24, 2013 8:11:12 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

Oct 24, 2013 5:05:03 GMT -5 beacon said:

Wow!

Do you have this book?

I wish! I remember when it came out, but the price tag even then was too much for a kid with a paper round. The best bet anyone would have truly was a suggestion at the page I found the snippets --- public library might have it. Which I think I should check, because a friend of mine was hounding me last night that I lived in London and had never been in a single library since my arrival. I take it this is my cue.

The British Library has a copy, I work very close by so I may have to pop in.

Seems odd that if Taylor had such a problem with Paul in 1968 that he would agree to come back to work for Apple?

[Deleted]

I could be handy mending a fuse
When your lights have gone
You can knit a sweater by the fireside
Sunday mornings go for a ride




lol

[NothingIsReal1985]

Oct 22, 2013 8:51:06 GMT -5 beacon said:

Sept 24, 2013 3:22:24 GMT -5 beacon said:

Paul is interviewed in this months copy of Mojo magazine in which he claims he is 5'10" with hazel eyes and that he is/was as tall as John.

The printed lies!

Sound like whoever made this chart is pretty slow (lol)... looking at this chart and comparing it to how I know The Beatles (the originals, at least) REALLY looked, it looks as though this info is WAY off.

[beacon]

Oct 24, 2013 9:43:19 GMT -5 NothingIsReal1985 said:

Oct 22, 2013 8:51:06 GMT -5 beacon said:

The printed lies!

Sound like whoever made this chart is pretty slow (lol)... looking at this chart and comparing it to how I know The Beatles (the originals, at least) REALLY looked, it looks as though this info is WAY off.

Always happy to share my sources - this comes from Tiger Beat magazine April 1966



Also contained this interview

[NothingIsReal1985]

Oct 24, 2013 10:04:28 GMT -5 beacon said:

Always happy to share my sources - this comes from Tiger Beat magazine April 1966



Also contained this interview

Thanx, luv. I enjoyed it. Also love that cover w/ George Harrison (one of them, but that's another subject, LOL) doing that sexy pose thing w/ the phone 'n' all. 

I'm also glad you posted that article on Keith Allison; he's GORGEOUS!!! (Lol).  Very Pixie-looking and a cross between [former brief Beatle] Jimmy Nicol and JPM. I also notice [off to the far right] him wearing the same look (brown jacket, Beatles haircut/'do & black turtleneck) as John & Paul did in 1965, mainly Help!. I can understand how the girls mistook him for JPM.

Could he have been (w/ the help of one of those prosthetic masks that we often see on TV & film and on Faul) one of JPM's doubles? 1) He was already in a band [Buddy Holly & The Crickets, which JPM was a fan of] 2) he has the [good] looks 3) and suitable style. Only thing is he has a square chin (like John), whereas JPM's was rounder. Who knows.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Oct 24, 2013 8:31:19 GMT -5 beacon said:

Oct 24, 2013 8:11:12 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

I wish! I remember when it came out, but the price tag even then was too much for a kid with a paper round. The best bet anyone would have truly was a suggestion at the page I found the snippets --- public library might have it. Which I think I should check, because a friend of mine was hounding me last night that I lived in London and had never been in a single library since my arrival. I take it this is my cue.

The British Library has a copy, I work very close by so I may have to pop in.

Seems odd that if Taylor had such a problem with Paul in 1968 that he would agree to come back to work for Apple?

But if you look at the time frame, which is the summer of 1968 and Taylor having issue with McCartney, well, he's not the only one is he? Because by the end of August, Ringo quits The Beatles. Now, when they tell tale of it now, all you'll get out of Ringo is that "I wasn't feeling like I was up to snuff" story.

In all the reading I've done, and this is speculative, and add that whatever did terry Knight witness during his time in the studio with The Beatles to prompt such a song as St Paul, then my hunch is that McCartney, and whatever his attitude problem was in 1968, affected Ringo enough to cause him to quit. If McCartney can be as bossy as they say, and personally, I believe that 100%, then ---- Taylor was not the only one saying dealing with McCartney by 1968 was becoming a drag.

Harrison's departure in January 1969 can be as much attributed to strained relations with Lennon, moreso than McCartney. In fact I believe his quitting was Lennon related. McCartney takes the "fall" for it though. Which I find interesting. Because here he is, 40 years later still getting blamed from one piece of film showing an argument with Harrison, where Harrison looks to be in the right, but other documentation shows that relations between McCartney and Harrison at the time seemed much better than relations between Harrison and Lennon. During Get Back / Let It Be specific.

So what's Taylor telling us. And do we believe a man who worked with Terry Melcher just in time for that Manson connection to come in, and then leaves Melcher to return to The Beatles just in time for ...

[linus]

The Beatlemania mags are loaded with PWR/PID foreshadowings.

Notice on the cover is says “Ringo, he’s changed!”

“…without Ringo, John, Paul and George working together as a team, there could be no Beatles. Not one of them could ever be replaced. And many times each Beatle has said, “If one of us were to quit… we’d all have to quit. We wouldn’t know how to get along without everyone one of us working together.”

And then top it off with a feature article on some PIDers' favorite 'Faul', Keith Allison. With the headline, “This Paul McCartney look alike has exciting plans!”
“…these fab assets…”
“And he does look like Paul McCartney. He’s handsome, tall…”
“Standing 6”1’ tall and weighing 165 pounds… Hidden behind his brawny build…”
“In 1963 and 1964 he worked with Peter Asher & Gordon"


His hair parts on the left, and it looks like his earlobes are attached. Keith's beard grows differently than P/Faul's, too.
If Keith was a replacement, why'd they make him look less like Paul?


Keith did a cover of ‘The Girl Can’t Help It’, which is the theme song to the film starring Beatle friend and car-crash victim Jayne Mansfield.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyaKnbFBGM8


Beatles For Sale album, inner gatefold image, the lads in front of a mural at Twickenham Studios. Not only is Paul holding a cigarette in his right hand, a la Abbey Road, and the mural quite similar to the Sgt. Pepper crowd, but next to his head is an image of Jayne Mansfield from the film It Takes a Thief. In Which she plays a car thief named Billie. In 1967 Jayne died in a car wreck and was scalped by the ceiling of the car, thus losing her hair.

Legend has it that the Beatles were inspired to finish recording The White Album after watching The Girl Can't Help It on tv. A film that was a big inspiration to them in their early days.
(was Don't Pass Me By about her?)

[cherilyn7]

Oct 24, 2013 4:39:09 GMT -5 beacon said:

[quote Here's a picture of Sibylla with her boyfriend. And his singing partner.

View AttachmentPeter And Gordon Off To U.S.A.: Pop stars Peter and Gordon flew off from London airport today to New York for engagements. Photo shows. Peter (left) and Gordon at London Airport today. In centre is Sibylla Edmonstone (girl friend of Gordon).

Very interesting! I did not know this.

It is amazing how, that in a city of eight million or so inhabitants like London, the Beatles and the Stones could operate in such a small circle of associates!
[/quote]

Yes, it is strange that these musicians seemed to inhabit a small world of interlinked people and even the women they dated/married seemed to be the same. Didn't they ever come into contact with anyone outside that small circle?

[multiverser]

Getting back to the overall thread topic, although I change my mind a lot (and I've studied PID for years), presently I'm in the 'multiples' camp.

I've also had a nagging feeling for some time now, that there is some really weird synchronicity effect going on. It's very trippy, it's like these Beatles multiples going back, oh I dunno, to Hamburg, all had these hectic Beatles careers mixing and matching with each other along the way, and reached 'critical mass' and then just started generating supernatural synchronicities. I think maybe that when the doubles and triples started to realize the 'parallel worlds' were taking on a life of their own in a very trippy way, I think they freaked and started looking into Crowley mysticism, eastern mysticism, and other esoteric stuff. A lot of 'clues' just appeared without being planned and planted. I think the multiple Beatles were freaked out by this, but just kept going.

Was there a 'Paul' who died? Yeah, I think so, but there were already other Pauls in the mix. The whole Beatles history has been engineered pretty much from the start (my current take on it), so that's why when we try to pin it down, we can't because the whole thing has been more complicated than we have yet theorized.

O.K., I know you guys must think I'm nuts, but if you have multiples playing the same roles and each of them starts believing like, "Hey, I'm the real one, not you" or "I'm the best one" then I think that might become some kind of strange, supernatural 'engine' that starts making clues just happen.

It's like, if you look into state-of-the-art physics, like Michio Kaku's parallel worlds hypothesis, you'll see this astonishing, mind-blowing implication that anything that can possibly happen DOES HAPPEN in a parallel world. In Kaku's hypothesis, the parallel worlds do not intermingle. But what if you create, by design, some parallel realities that you stuff into one reality? What happens then? I think the power behind the scenes: the royals, MI-5, CIA, Tavistock, whomever you like, experimented with this product, this brand called Beatles and had some doubles do the trick, operating sort of simultaneously, and the result was yeah they fooled everybody but then got what they weren't expecting, a sort of 'field' (field in the sense of like a magnetic field) of supernatural synchronicities. So, like a ton of clues just happened, then they planted some, then more freaky unplanted clues happened, and it all just snowballed.

I think the current Faul and Fingo are probably psycho cases because of this, but they keep putting on the front. The thing is, we could still be seeing multiples today and they could all be legitimate Beatles from the early days. I think that could be the big joke on all of us. What if they're all legit, including the Paul who died (murdered or car crash, take your pick)?

[cherilyn7]

Feb 26, 2014 20:47:29 GMT -5 multiverser said:

Getting back to the overall thread topic, although I change my mind a lot (and I've studied PID for years), presently I'm in the 'multiples' camp.

I've also had a nagging feeling for some time now, that there is some really weird synchronicity effect going on. It's very trippy, it's like these Beatles multiples going back, oh I dunno, to Hamburg, all had these hectic Beatles careers mixing and matching with each other along the way, and reached 'critical mass' and then just started generating supernatural synchronicities.
Was there a 'Paul' who died? Yeah, I think so, but there were already other Pauls in the mix. The whole Beatles history has been engineered pretty much from the start (my current take on it), so that's why when we try to pin it down, we can't because the whole thing has been more complicated than we have yet theorized.

O.K., I know you guys must think I'm nuts, but if you have multiples playing the same roles and each of them starts believing like, "Hey, I'm the real one, not you" or "I'm the best one" then I think that might become some kind of strange, supernatural 'engine' that starts making clues just happen.

I think the power behind the scenes: the royals, MI-5, CIA, Tavistock, whomever you like, experimented with this product, this brand called Beatles and had some doubles do the trick, operating sort of simultaneously, and the result was yeah they fooled everybody but then got what they weren't expecting, a sort of 'field' (field in the sense of like a magnetic field) of supernatural synchronicities.
I think the current Faul and Fingo are probably psycho cases because of this, but they keep putting on the front. The thing is, we could still be seeing multiples today and they could all be legitimate Beatles from the early days. I think that could be the big joke on all of us. What if they're all legit, including the Paul who died (murdered or car crash, take your pick)?

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That's very interesting: and I agree on much of what you say. It seems it did all start in Hamburg or before, different individuals playing the roles (and they said The Monkees where created/actors?) What was so different about The Beatles?

Why did the Madame Tussaud's waxwork of John look nothing like him?
Keith Allison the so called winner of the lookalike competition looked nothing like Paul.
Why did these people mix in a tight knit group and seemed to date and marry the same women?
Why was Ringo (aka Richie Starkey) taken from Rory Storm and the Hurricanes?
Why did Brian Epstein decide to sign up Rory Storm in 1964 and get him a record contract?
Why did The Beatles look so different in publicity photos; looking like different people?
(The photo shown in a post above by Beacon at Sybilla's of John and George; I believe is neither John or George).
The list could go on but that's for another time....

[multiverser]

Thanks, cherilyn7. By the way, I'm not saying I have the answer when I put a new theory on the table --- most of what I do on the PID boards is brainstorming and saying, like what about this angle? Often I change my mind about my own theory!

Keith Allison, to me, looks like the Faul of the Let It Be sessions and film. He has a square chin and the Faul in Let It Be had a scruffy beard hiding a square chin. The problems with Keith as that Faul are: Keith has an American hillbilly accent, Keith was a right-handed guitarist, and not a pianist or bass player. The Faul in Let It Be was an accomplished pianist, probably classically trained. Could Keith Allison have pulled off the English accent of Faul in Let It Be and the virtuosos piano playing? I say no (to my own theory of Keith/Faul!).

I've always thought that the Faul of Let It Be was a different Faul from the rest of the Fauls and he was only used for the Let It Be sessions. For one thing, he had a very domineering and abrasive personality, which is why I think George Martin refused to work with him. I think the powers behind the PID deception at that time, just after the Let It Be film shoot was over said to themselves, hey we need to sack this Faul. He's a great pianist and singer, but he makes too many enemies with that nasty personality.

You mentioned Rory Storm and the Hurricanes. I think Rory and his mother were murdered because they knew too much. There was another member of that group who collapsed on stage and was never seen again (they said he died from acute appenicitus) and I have theorized that guy (I can't recall his name at the moment) became one of the Fauls. But anyway, Rory and his mum (she was his manager before he died) --- they both died the same day under very mysterious circumstances, as if they were about to whistleblow PID and blow the lid off it. At any rate, The Beatles, in the early days, were quite close friends with Rory (Alan Caldwell --- both Paul and George dated his sister at one point, I think her name was Mona).

Your list of questions is good. Keep posting more questions.

[linus]

Ty Charles O'Brien.
invanddis.proboards.com/thread/7012/suspicious



Keith's hair parts on the left, and it looks like his earlobes are attached. 'Faul's' hair parted toward his right in the late '60s. Keith's beard grows differently than 'Faul's', too.




It seems as though Keith was used to play into the PID mythology. Notice in this 1966 magazine, there is much emphasis on the Beatles not continuing on if one left, and the measurements one would need to comply to if a Beatle were to be replaced.


"If one of us dropped out... the group would break up." Said by Paul, of all people.


Tiger Beat magazine April 1966



Notice on the cover it says “Ringo, he’s changed!”

“…without Ringo, John, Paul and George working together as a team, there could be no Beatles. Not one of them could ever be replaced. And many times each Beatle has said, “If one of us were to quit… we’d all have to quit. We wouldn’t know how to get along without everyone one of us working together.”

And then top it off with a feature article on some PIDers' favorite 'Faul', Keith Allison. With the headline, “This Paul McCartney look alike has exciting plans!”


“…these fab assets…”
“And he does look like Paul McCartney. He’s handsome, tall…”
“Standing 6'1" tall and weighing 165 pounds… Hidden behind his brawny build…”
“In 1963 and 1964 he worked with Peter Asher & Gordon"



Keith did a cover of ‘The Girl Can’t Help It’, which is the theme song to the film starring Beatle friend and car-crash victim Jayne Mansfield.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyaKnbFBGM8
As mentioned earlier, Jayne Mansfield is in the Twickenham Studios mural next to Paul in the Beatles For Sale gatefold image.