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Post by B on Sept 1, 2012 2:31:00 GMT -5
Oct 17, 2010, 8:24pm, bunyan wrote: Because of broken links and the like (e.g. laziness), I'm not sure if it's been raised, but Harry Nilsson's "Mr Richard's Favorite Song" also quotes The Walrus And The Carpenter with reference to the relationship between a pop star and his fans. (Regardless of PID, any Beatles fans who haven't heard at least Harry Nilsson's first couple of albums really should rectify that problem.) I sure spent a bit of time contemplating its meaning.. Have a listen, especially at 2:20: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSWDh9YCYgg
Like a fallen star who works in a bar where Yesterday is King.
The fans all come for an hour or so, they still remember his fame,
But the time has come the Walrus said, to call your fans by name.Scat out . . . they had to be in by One  "McCartney's cousin Bett and her husband Mike Robbins owned a pub on Union Street in Ryde, on the south coast of the Isle of Wight. In the early 1960s Lennon and McCartney hitch-hiked to stay with them, and several years later the journey inspired a pun on the phrase 'ticket to Ryde' in the song." Maybe the Nilsson lyrics are a reference to the cousin's bar? |
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Post by iwilliam on Jan 27, 2013 17:51:09 GMT -5
1st-- Some thoughts on this thread and its presentation. An analysis of the analysis, if you will. 2nd-- A couple observations of my own. --1--This is one of the most brilliant things I've read in a while. Particularly the initial presentation by Jarface. Pure genius. And not only do I think this thread should be added to the "Best of NIR" thread (along with the "Alice Statues" thread, which IMO is related) but I am starting to form the opinion that these two threads may truly hold the "real" key to the Sgt Pepper / PID / PWR (etc) mystery. I don't think either solves it completely... but this feels like it's very much on the right trail for me.
For reference, The Alice Statues thread: invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=2821&page=1
I have to confess that I wish this thread had remained as coherent, lucid, and easy-to-follow as it began. The first 3-4 pages contained some very well thought-out speculation which was presented in a manner anyone could understand, even reading this thread with little prior knowledge of Beatles / PID. This is the hallmark of "good writing."
I understand that it's not always that black and white with some of the PID / PWR crowd. Many of you/us seem to love mystery and riddles, and feel that part of the fun or learning-value of the experience lies in the discovery. And I may agree to a certain extent. But as JoJo pointed out early in the thread (in response to a question by Jarface) many of us don't feel the fun or value to be lost in having things explained to us in a hold-my-hand-and-guide-me A leads to B leads to C type manner.
We have what I feel to be a few truly great minds in this thread. People not only unusually well-versed in Beatles material (including solo stuff) but also symbology and the esoteric / occult. People who can "connect some pretty diverse dots," so to speak. However, it is my feeling that some of these truly bright minds don't realize that not everyone is like them. Given 100 years and even more clues, not everyone (not MANY, I would even venture) would be able to come to the same conclusions as you. If that were the case, this 40+ year old mystery could have been cracked ages ago. Hell, some people even won't get it when you hold their hand and walk them through it.... like the member earlier in the thread (p 3-5 maybe?) who accused Jarface's original post of being cryptic, when he laid it all out very clearly, IMO.
As such, I am of the opinion that some of these random clue posts... where someone puts up a couple pictures, a snippet of song, and expects someone else to understand, are really only for the benefit of the authors themselves, and maybe one or two other gifted members. And please understand that this commentary is coming from someone who is not only an avid reader, but has put in some semi-serious amateur study of the occult, esoteric, and symbology for over 15 years. So If I'm not going to get the hints... I'm afraid a lot of people will not be helped by this. (Then again, I am sometimes shit at riddles.)
Another minor issue I have is that I think some of the tangenting really takes away from and clouds threads like this. There were a couple really awesome posts made in this thread, by other members (not OP-- Jarface) which while along similar lines, were not the same point, and really could / should have been started as new threads. When you combine cryptic posts and clues with people hinting at completely different points, it becomes even more muddied and tough to unravel.
Further, I am having a bit of a hard time determining which points are more likely to be "legitimate" and which are just fanciful observations made for their own sake. What I mean by that is this-- maybe the entire point of the pepper puzzle was to get people thinking. To make people explore philosophical, symbological, esoteric, occult topics. Maybe it was even meant to illustrate that in life there is not one true path or one right interpretation to anything. Maybe that's the real message. But if not... or rather, regardless of if it is.... this thread begins with the suggestion that there were clues purposely planted by The Beatles, and that each of the characters on the cover was a carefully chosen and carefully placed hint, picked for its symbological and possibly word-play value. If this is truly the case, that means that each one should have a definitive meaning.
If you've studied stuff like Kabalah and associations with the sephirot and the tree of life, Crowley, etc.. (which it's clear some of you have) then you are well aware that one can draw connections from anything, to anything, almost endlessly, around and around. And unless the Beatles are Omnipotent, Omniscient God-like beings this is obvious not what they did. I suppose it is possible each symbol/clue on the album cover (each pic or prop) may have 2 or 3 layers of meaning... but even that seems a bit of a stretch... as composing a coherent narrative (or even set of puns) using only one meaning per symbol would be a great and genius feat, in a case like this. Setting them all up for more than 2 or 3 layers of meaning each, would be beyond spectacular.
That said, i can't help but wonder if some of the speculations are a bit over-reaching. Or as another member put it:
Which I sort of agree with.
On the other hand, I sort of disagree with his next line:
While he's got a fair point, in my mind, some of the connections Jarface drew were solid. Which brings me to my next point....
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Post by iwilliam on Jan 27, 2013 17:52:17 GMT -5
--2--One of the things that increases chances of validity for me, is an observation I made as this went along: Paul is holding a "Cor Anglais" Unless my etymology is totally out of whack, I believe this could be read as "heart English" or "English Heart." In such a case, even the instrument he holds, is giving us a clue as to the interpretation of this. And am I the only one who finds Paul's smile here to be very Mona Lisa? Very.... "do you want to know a secret?" I feel like the info in the Alice Statues thread may be important as well. It is obvious that references to Alice are "peppered," forgive the pun, all over their albums. I mean "looking glass TIES" ("ties" being another word for "connections." It is spelled out for us. Likewise with the hearts and clubs as two suits from a deck of playing cards. Four suits in total, of course. And many of us are well aware that a deck of playing cards mirrors the "minor arcana" of the tarot (minus 4 court cards). My question here would be-- what represents the Spades and the diamonds? Well... we do have a kind of diamond on the cover, when mirrored. Spades? Anyone know what the symbol for "sergeant" is? upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/US_Army_WWII_SGT.svgUnless you're a "master" sergeant, which is this: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/US_Army_WWII_MSGT.svgAnd yes, I realize these are US symbols, and this is a british band... but hey, they were really an international band... and besides, Paul is wearing an "OPP" patch, which is canadian. (You down with OPP? Sorry... couldn't help myself...) Looks a bit like a spade, to me. For those who want the correspondences to the tarot deck, it goes like this: Pentacles (aka disks, coins) = Diamonds Wands (aka rods, staves) = Clubs Cups = Hearts Swords = Spades For what it's worth, I did some googling and found another site talking about a Beatles relation to the Tarot. In this case, the author is comparing each of the Beatles to a card of the Major Arcana. www.theosophical.org/publications/quest-magazine/1490Ringo = Star George = Hermit Paul = Fool John = Magician / Magus All Together (now) = The World And this cute little site actually created a tarot deck, from Beatles images: beatlestarot.wordpress.com/Another one-- In one of his first posts, Jarface mentions this: Not to point out what may be obvious to some, but while this certainly fits "Getting Better" I find it is even better fit (sonically) by the end of "Hey Jude." Not only is that more sharply rising, but it ends in a very clear and high pitched "Bwaaaaaah!" (one of my favorite moments in all of music) And one final question I'm left with-- if all of this is symbolic, and a game, involving word-play, etc.... is Paul's obviously (and some would say drastically) changing appearance over the years purely coincidental? I think that would be hard for a lot of people to believe. Or might it have been done, to hype the "Paul is Dead" thing, which then leads us back to examining clues and looking for connections? Just a thought.... PS-- Jarface... did you really name your son Maxwell Sterling? For real? Awesome.
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Post by iwilliam on Jan 27, 2013 17:58:37 GMT -5
An afterthought-- if we are seeing a representation of the Tarot here in some form....
I pointed out that a deck of playing cards mirrors the minor arcana of the Tarot, minus 4 cards (four less court cards in a deck of playing cards-- one for each suit.)
Perhaps these extra four are somehow significant. And if we have representations of 4 "suits" and 4 beatles (hey... aren't the wax beatles represented wearing "suits?") then perhaps each beatle stands for one "suit." If that's the case, which is which?
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I also independently came up with the "Boaz and Jachin" connection, myself... I even mentioned it in another thread here....not that, that necessarily lends it any more legitimacy.... but kind of interesting....
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Post by iwilliam on Jan 29, 2013 15:26:17 GMT -5
In case you missed the thread-- today I was speculating whether the lyric "looking through a glass onion" might be a play on words-- "Looking through a glass on Jung...." Carl Jung, of course, being on the Sgt. Pepper cover. Are we being told of another place to apply a mirror? Thread here: invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Clues&thread=7194&page=1If only I had the present ability to test this out, myself.... |
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Post by linus on Jun 2, 2013 15:30:13 GMT -5
I've read through this thread a couple of times over the last year, and even read it at another forum, and enjoyed it. Makes me miss the days when people would put together thought-provoking thesis and other folks would enjoy them, contribute helpfully, and even provide the occasional constructive criticism.
I joined this forum in January 2012, and haven't witnessed anything of this nature. Even when Beacon published his two books, he mostly only got backlash. And the poor new-comers these last two years, oy!
I know I can be cryptic at times, but I do so to provoke thoughts and questions, and I always answer them like a normal human being. Although I've only been asked to expound twice.
I could be wrong, but it also seems that the long-timers are set in their ways, have made up their minds, and probably feel there's nothing new to learn or explore.
Getting off my soapbox. But feel free to respond.
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Post by dolphin on Jun 27, 2013 13:34:58 GMT -5
 "X" marks the spot. Paul's heart is where the treasure is located. This is where you dig. The Beatle Altitudes |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 6:58:44 GMT -5
I shall begin very near the end. Poe's Gold Bug is a story about a golden beetle and a cryptic message containing veiled instructions for how to find a cache of Captain Kidd's buried pirate treasure. To wit: "A good glass in the Bishop's Castle in the devil's seat...main branch seventh limb east side...shoot from the left eye of the death's head...a bee-line from the tree through the shot fifty feet out..."In Poe's story, the Bishop's Castle was an old-school name for a remote rock formation. High up the eastern face was a small ledge, which the protagonist discerned to be the devil's seat: "I let myself down to the ledge, and found that it was impossible to retain a seat upon it except in one particular position...I proceeded to use the glass...my attention was arrested by a circular rift or opening in the foliage of a large tree that overtopped its fellows in the distance. In the centre of this rift I perceived a white spot, but could not, at first, distinguish what it was. Adjusting the focus of the telescope, I again looked, and now made it out to be a human skull.
"Upon this discovery I was so sanguine as to consider the enigma solved; for the phrase 'main branch, seventh limb, east side,' could refer only to the position of the skull upon the tree, while 'shoot from the left eye of the death's-head' admitted, also, of but one interpretation, in regard to a search for a buried treasure. I perceived that the design was to drop a bullet from the left eye of the skull, and that a bee-line, or, in other words, a straight line, drawn from the nearest point of the trunk through 'the shot' (or the spot where the bullet fell...would indicate a definite point -- and beneath this point I thought it at least possible that a deposit of value lay concealed." from the seventh limb east side, Massa Will found the treasure Captain Kidd's cache. How I know? why cause he talk about it in he sleep --dat's how I nose. lol  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 7:15:11 GMT -5
 " Were all the jewels of Golconda awaiting me on my solution of this enigma, I am quite sure that I should be unable to earn them." "And yet," said Legrand, " the solution is by no means so difficult as you might be led to imagine from the first hasty inspection of the characters. These characters, as any one might readily guess, form a cipher --that is to say, they convey a meaning; but then, from what is known of Kidd, I could not suppose him capable of constructing any of the more abstruse cryptographs. I made up my mind, at once, that this was of a simple species --such, however, as would appear, to the crude intellect of the sailor, absolutely insoluble without the key."
"And you really solved it?"" Readily; I have solved others of an abstruseness ten thousand times greater. Circumstances, and a certain bias of mind, have led me to take interest in such riddles, and it may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma of the kind which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve. In fact, having once established connected and legible characters, I scarcely gave a thought to the mere difficulty of developing their import. " ; for the principles of solution, so far, especially, as the more simple ciphers are concerned, depend on, and are varied by, the genius of the particular idiom. In general, there is no alternative but experiment (directed by probabilities) of every tongue known to him who attempts the solution, until the true one be attained. But, with the cipher now before us, all difficulty is removed by the signature. The pun on the word 'Kidd' is appreciable in no other language than the English. But for this consideration I should have begun my attempts with the Spanish and French, as the tongues in which a secret of this kind would most naturally have been written by a pirate of the Spanish main. As it was, I assumed the cryptograph to be English. |
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Post by dolphin on Jun 28, 2013 11:31:14 GMT -5
He gets by with a little help from his friends. Then he becomes a goat. Here come the sun king!
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Post by JoJo on Apr 19, 2015 18:01:16 GMT -5
Way back when, I saved the first page of this thread locally and a bit of the second. Unfortunately Jarv used Imageshack to host the images and they went poof at some point. (Imageshack maybe out of business?) Anyway, I restored what I could, take a look if you like..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on Apr 19, 2015 23:51:09 GMT -5
Where is he I wonder?
Jarv 54.. where are youuuu!
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Post by beatlas231 on Apr 20, 2015 3:37:23 GMT -5
And they grew up to be..... anthromorphans! Modern literature John Tenniel's depiction of this anthropomorphic rabbit was featured in the first chapter of Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland Building on the popularity of fables and fairy tales, specifically children's literature began to emerge in the 19th century with works such as Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865) by Lewis Carroll, The Adventures of Pinocchio (1883) by Carlo Collodi and The Jungle Book (1894) by Rudyard Kipling, all employing anthropomorphic elements. This continued in the 20th century with many of the most popular titles having anthropomorphic characters,[17] examples being The Tales of Beatrix Potter (1901 onwards),[18] The Wind in the Willows (1908) by Kenneth Grahame, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C. S. Lewis and Winnie-the-Pooh (1926) by A. A. Milne. In many of these stories the animals can be seen as representing facets of human personality and character.[19] As John Rowe Townsend remarks, discussing The Jungle Book in which the boy Mowgli must rely on his new friends the bear Baloo and the black panther Bagheera, "The world of the jungle is in fact both itself and our world as well".[19] Another notable work is George Orwell's Animal Farm. The fantasy genre developed from mythological, fairy tale and Romance motifs[20] and characters, sometimes with anthropomorphic animals. The best-selling examples of the genre are The Hobbit[21] (1937) and The Lord of the Rings[22] (1954–1955), both by J. R. R. Tolkien, books peopled with talking creatures such as ravens, spiders and the dragon Smaug and a multitude of anthropomorphic goblins and elves. John D. Rateliff calls this the "Doctor Dolittle Theme" in his book The History of the Hobbit[23] and Tolkien saw this anthropomorphism as closely linked to the emergence of human language and myth: "...The first men to talk of 'trees and stars' saw things very differently. To them, the world was alive with mythological beings... To them the whole of creation was "myth-woven and elf-patterned" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphismmyth? or truth? ;D an·thro·pol·o·gy [an-thruh-pol-uh-jee]
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the science that deals with the origins, physical and cultural development, biological characteristics, and social customs and beliefs of humankind.
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the study of human beings' similarity to and divergence from other animals.
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the science of humans and their works.
lol ;D Now PitchingNumber 42anthropoMorphism Riveralisten to that crowd reaction when they find out he's in the game This should do the Tricky Trick |
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Post by beatlas231 on Apr 20, 2015 3:46:32 GMT -5
zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue244.htm" The contorted dance that Planet X and the Earth perform prior to the hour
of the pole shift is complicated further by the presence of Venus and the Earth's Dark Twin, who are caught in the eddy flow cup in front of Planet X along with the Earth. Mythology states that we will see Venus and the Dark Twin loom large, coming closer to the Earth, and the Zetas have confirmed this. Shiva, in Hindu lore, is Planet X and Kali, the Dark Twin, is his wife. She survives to be visible once he has passed and left the solar system...." funny story... I wrote her once with a question, many years ago and her odd reply was to ask me what I will do when all the orphans come to my door. well, at least I know now lol Am I visible yet? All of our messages were subliminal, you know Looking back on it |
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Post by B on Apr 20, 2015 16:10:51 GMT -5
Where is he I wonder? Jarv 54.. where are youuuu! Cute. |
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Post by JoJo on Apr 21, 2015 17:29:05 GMT -5
A tiny garden gnome that appeared on the cover of the Beatles' Sgt Pepper's album and was signed by all four band member has sold for £29,000. The cardboard gnome featured alongside a host of celebrities and historic figures including actress Diana Dors, singer Bob Dylan and actor Marlon Brando on the psychedelic cover of the ground-breaking 1967 album. In total more than 60 celebrities appear on the famous cover including the Fab Four themselves - but because it would have been impossible to get all of them in a room together, waxworks and cardboard cutouts were used instead. More: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049171/Garden-gnome-featured-Beatles-iconic-Sergeant-Pepper-s-album-cover-sells-29-000.html  |
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A tiny garden gnome that appeared on the cover of the Beatles' Sgt Pepper's album and was signed by all four band member has sold for £29,000. |
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