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Post by B on May 5, 2021 17:31:14 GMT -5
I’ve just started reading ACV’s posts and it struck me that I’ve been told by a couple of people heavily into PID that this very narrative keeps surfacing in various PID groups on Facebook. If ACV really passed away then he must have some serious followers or maybe even assistants because his narrative lives on, on Facebook at least. I’m just so impressed with his storyline! Have I got it right that people thought he was Neil? Or one of the Pauls , or both? Yes. Neil. Not one of the Pauls though, with the exception of what few occassions he may have played that role.
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Post by ramone on May 8, 2021 11:25:01 GMT -5
While there was communicating going on different names were thrown around as to who was on the other end. Neil being one of them. But, then with his passing there was someone that told us it was in fact Neil.
But, then you had stuff like this from ACV -
"Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think." A direct answer to RL's question as to whether JPM was still alive or not.
And maybe closer than you think.
How does one take that?
One possibility is that yes, ACV was Neil - but JPM was in the car with him during the ride. Contributing to the conversation in different capacities.
Was there a navigator or two in the back seat? Wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by cayetana on May 11, 2021 8:20:23 GMT -5
Well, after going over ACV’s posts once again I noticed he said some had solved the mystery but “walked away in disbelief”, so does this mean some have actually cracked the code so to speak? Did he mean someone on this forum? And what exactly was that mystery: Paul replaced but still living?
Questions, questions...
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Post by cayetana on May 11, 2021 8:28:23 GMT -5
But, then you had stuff like this from ACV - "Despite whatever was, or is going to be said, our dear boy still walks amongst us. Maybe closer than you think." A direct answer to RL's question as to whether JPM was still alive or not. And maybe closer than you think. How does one take that? One possibility is that yes, ACV was Neil - but JPM was in the car with him during the ride. Contributing to the conversation in different capacities. Was there a navigator or two in the back seat? Wouldn't be surprised. Hmm.... Wouldn’t be surprised either. I don’t know if this narrative (that Paul was replaced but not dead) even existed before ACV? But it’s certainly interesting. As I said I’m told by a friend who’s in certain Facebook groups that he came across this narrative a few times, there’re people who believe they chatted with Paul on Facebook even. I understand it sounds a bit out there but it amazes me how persistent this narrative has become.
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Post by ramone on May 11, 2021 10:33:26 GMT -5
Well, this board revolves around the theme - Nothing is Real (Paul was Replaced). Some boards might have been locked into Paul is dead - and that is the only possibility. This one has been more open from way back.
As far as the subject matter goes if he wasn't replaced, the rest is moot. But if he was - THEN that branches out to different possibilities.
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Post by B on May 12, 2021 12:33:39 GMT -5
Someone should make an overture to William to tell. Oh wait. "WILLIAM TELL" OVERTURE HIGHEST QUALITY- GIACCHINO ROSSINI - HERBERT VON KARAJAN COND BERLIN P.O.www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-vqyUH0quAElsa Anna Arendelle Jun 25, 2020 This pastorale section in G major signifying the calm after the storm begins with a Ranz des vaches or "Call to the Cows", featuring the cor anglais (English horn).
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Post by cayetana on May 13, 2021 10:53:08 GMT -5
Well, this board revolves around the theme - Nothing is Real (Paul was Replaced). Some boards might have been locked into Paul is dead - and that is the only possibility. This one has been more open from way back. As far as the subject matter goes if he wasn't replaced, the rest is moot. But if he was - THEN that branches out to different possibilities. That’s what I love so much about this forum: you don’t need to follow one particular theory. Personally I’m sure he was replaced and the clues are intentional (not simply a coincidence as some say) but as ACV said, what exactly do they allude to? Clearly it’s something to do with Paul but is it death or just replacement? Or, if it’s been one Paul all along, some kind of spiritual transformation maybe? Something to do with his LSD experience? I found it interesting how ACV hinted “Paul is dead” was just a red herring to distract our attention from something bigger (or at least that’s my understanding). What a pity ACV is no longer with us.
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Post by ramone on May 13, 2021 16:05:31 GMT -5
"Personally I’m sure he was replaced and the clues are intentional (not simply a coincidence as some say)"
I don't know how anyone can say that. Just look at the Sgt P drum head. There had to be a lot of thought put into the design of it so that, with a mirror, it reads 'he die'. That shows intention right there. Esp with an arrow pointing to you know who.
But also there are quite a few clues that focus on you know who, too. IMO, it all happening 'by coincidence' seems a stretch - to say the least.
Not to mention admittance by the those in the Beatle circle.
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Post by B on May 16, 2021 11:16:49 GMT -5
Well, after going over ACV’s posts once again I noticed he said some had solved the mystery but “walked away in disbelief”, so does this mean some have actually cracked the code so to speak? Did he mean someone on this forum? And what exactly was that mystery: Paul replaced but still living? Questions, questions... “walked away in disbelief” Think of it in these terms: John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. in context: Bible book of John, chapter 6 excerpt Apollo liked to play mindgames / word games, 'cause you know, sometimes words have two meanings. some had solved the mystery but “walked away in disbelief”
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Post by B on May 16, 2021 11:35:55 GMT -5
That’s what I love so much about this forum: you don’t need to follow one particular theory. Personally I’m sure he was replaced and the clues are intentional (not simply a coincidence as some say) but as ACV said, what exactly do they allude to? Clearly it’s something to do with Paul but is it death or just replacement? Or, if it’s been one Paul all along, some kind of spiritual transformation maybe? Something to do with his LSD experience? I found it interesting how ACV hinted “Paul is dead” was just a red herring to distract our attention from something bigger (or at least that’s my understanding). What a pity ACV is no longer with us. I'll go with "something bigger". And maybe not "distract" as much as "point to" something bigger. MIND GAMES. (Ultimate Mix, 2020) - John Lennon and The Plastic U.F.Ono Bandwww.youtube.com/watch?v=bVYXWVs0Prc ------- johnlennon Dec 18, 2016
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Post by ramone on May 17, 2021 18:08:44 GMT -5
(to Jarv)(from ACV):
"Remember one thing, lad. It was NOT I launched this ship of fools. For the longest time, I read this pap with much glee. What will these silly wankers come up with next? And, it never ceased to amaze. But lurking in the shadows, were those that wanted seriously to understand what had been said and done. Still, with the bright blare of "60IF" blinding the reality of the subject, I entered the fray.
Almost from day one, I was met by ridicule. Imagine that. The very ones that fell hook, line and sinker, for a fabricated piece of shite, had the audacity to question my intent to bring them back to the "real" world.
Save for a few, most went on with their blend of "myth-making" ignorance. So, you must understand, I feel a target on me back. I open up to few. I have a hard time understanding your intentions. Same as you having a hard time with mine. There are valid reasons I am not MORE forthcoming. I am not the one seeking answers. I have although supplied the questions."
He thought all the Don Knotts is Brian, Paul's an alien stuff was kind of nutty. And many were on his case because he wanted to bring things back to earth.
But, he was willing to converse with those that didn't want to dismiss him because they had pre-existing notions they refused to drop or at least reconsider.
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Post by Paul Bearer on May 18, 2021 5:23:36 GMT -5
Apollo was a real insider but a disinfo agent sorry to say. He came in to throw confusion and muddy the waters by hinting Paul was still alive among other things. I one hundred percent know Paul died in 1966 and I stand by that.
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Post by cayetana on May 18, 2021 7:57:28 GMT -5
"Personally I’m sure he was replaced and the clues are intentional (not simply a coincidence as some say)" I don't know how anyone can say that. Just look at the Sgt P drum head. There had to be a lot of thought put into the design of it so that, with a mirror, it reads 'he die'. That shows intention right there. Esp with an arrow pointing to you know who. But also there are quite a few clues that focus on you know who, too. IMO, it all happening 'by coincidence' seems a stretch - to say the least. Not to mention admittance by the those in the Beatle circle. It’s amazing how people fail to see this but they do. I saw someone on Reddit asking why you come across the white car in the Beatles videos and art so often and the answers were all like “You know, it just happened to be there, maybe it belonged to the Beatles crew or something, don’t go looking for symbols and signs everywhere”. Something to that effect.
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Post by cayetana on May 18, 2021 8:19:09 GMT -5
I'll go with "something bigger". And maybe not "distract" as much as "point to" something bigger. MIND GAMES. (Ultimate Mix, 2020) - John Lennon and The Plastic U.F.Ono Bandwww.youtube.com/watch?v=bVYXWVs0Prc ------- johnlennon Dec 18, 2016 Agreed, the initial idea was to lead us in the right direction more likely but it still resulted in lots of people thinking the clues told us Paul died. As ACV put it, “a failure to communicate”.
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Post by cayetana on May 18, 2021 8:23:20 GMT -5
Not to mention admittance by the those in the Beatle circle. You mean Derek Taylor admitting the Pepper cover shows a grave or John saying they sent fans subtle clues “to let them know how we felt” (I forgot where I read about this but I distinctly remember he said “subtle clues)?
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Post by cayetana on May 18, 2021 8:28:41 GMT -5
“walked away in disbelief” Think of it in these terms: John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. in context: Bible book of John, chapter 6 excerpt Apollo liked to play mindgames / word games, 'cause you know, sometimes words have two meanings. some had solved the mystery but “walked away in disbelief” Yeah, I noticed his penchant for mind games indeed and it’s fascinating but sometimes confusing because of all the possible interpretations of his world play. I love the Bible reference but honestly, I have no idea what to make of it yet.
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Post by cayetana on May 18, 2021 8:42:45 GMT -5
. He thought all the Don Knotts is Brian, Paul's an alien stuff was kind of nutty. And many were on his case because he wanted to bring things back to earth. That’s what I liked about his posts. I too think some of the existing theories are pretty out there and sometimes even stand in the way of discovering the real story. I like how ACV sounds very down to earth in his posts despite all the riddles. As I said, I’d love to talk to him, he sounds authentic to me.
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Post by cayetana on May 18, 2021 8:50:55 GMT -5
Apollo was a real insider but a disinfo agent sorry to say. He came in to throw confusion and muddy the waters by hinting Paul was still alive among other things. I one hundred percent know Paul died in 1966 and I stand by that. I respect your point of view but honestly, how do we know? A lot of people who know something went on in ‘66 believe he’s dead, and yes, if you peruse the clues they seem macabre but should we take them that literally? And wasn’t it much easier for a disinfo agent to simply try to convince people Paul and that other guy are the same person? Why go to such lengths creating all the puzzles and riddles when he could’ve just said the usual stuff (Paul lost weight and changed hair style and took a lot of drugs and that’s why he looked different)?
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Post by Red Lion on May 21, 2021 1:38:06 GMT -5
Apollo was a real insider but a disinfo agent sorry to say. He came in to throw confusion and muddy the waters by hinting Paul was still alive among other things. I one hundred percent know Paul died in 1966 and I stand by that. Honestly, the early boards were rife with PID/PIA infighting and outlandish theories that were gobbled up ad nauseam. How possibly could the waters be any muddier? LOL Seriously PB, you know 100%? 55 years later, still no body and no witnesses, zero proof of death. What exactly are you standing by?
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Post by ramone on May 22, 2021 0:08:09 GMT -5
Uh oh, I feel a Schrodinger's Paul manifesting.
(yup, it's late. G'night)
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Post by B on May 25, 2021 14:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on May 25, 2021 17:12:29 GMT -5
From the link:
Points to ponder...
So many of the supposed “clues” found on MMT seem to point back towards Sgt Pepper.
Case in point:
Hidden on the Pepper cover is a WALRUS.
Using your trusty mirror, place it vertically touching Diana Dors left elbow.
See him?
Yet, this “clue” pre-dates any mention in Beatle lore of a walrus. That would come on the following release, MMT….
Apollo C Vermouth
If memory serves, while most were familiar with the drum clue, etc at the time, a mirrored walrus didn't come to light until ACV mentioned this.
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Post by ramone on Jun 14, 2021 18:43:04 GMT -5
"Personally I’m sure he was replaced and the clues are intentional (not simply a coincidence as some say)" I don't know how anyone can say that. Just look at the Sgt P drum head. There had to be a lot of thought put into the design of it so that, with a mirror, it reads 'he die'. That shows intention right there. Esp with an arrow pointing to you know who. But also there are quite a few clues that focus on you know who, too. IMO, it all happening 'by coincidence' seems a stretch - to say the least. Not to mention admittance by the those in the Beatle circle. It’s amazing how people fail to see this but they do. I saw someone on Reddit asking why you come across the white car in the Beatles videos and art so often and the answers were all like “You know, it just happened to be there, maybe it belonged to the Beatles crew or something, don’t go looking for symbols and signs everywhere”. Something to that effect. Well, things can go way to left field if everything is a sign or symbol. People get carried away sometimes. But, it’s obvious there was extra attention towards Paul. One or two things can be just a coincidence. However, it’s PAUL with the hand over the head. No one else. It’s PAUL turned around on the Sgt P cover. It’s PAUL, and not the others with the black flower on. It just happens a white car runs into PAUL’S head in the SFF vid. etc, etc. What’re the odds?….
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Post by cayetana on Jun 18, 2021 10:42:03 GMT -5
If memory serves, while most were familiar with the drum clue, etc at the time, a mirrored walrus didn't come to light until ACV mentioned this.
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Makes one wonder how many things we haven’t discovered yet which are hidden in the plain sight? Or have simply misinterpreted?
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Post by cayetana on Jun 18, 2021 11:02:27 GMT -5
Well, things can go way to left field if everything is a sign or symbol. People get carried away sometimes. But, it’s obvious there was extra attention towards Paul. One or two things can be just a coincidence. However, it’s PAUL with the hand over the head. No one else. It’s PAUL turned around on the Sgt P cover. It’s PAUL, and not the others with the black flower on. It just happens a white car runs into PAUL’S head in the SFF vid. etc, etc. What’re the odds?…. I agree you need to be careful either way but I still don’t understand how people write it off without even looking into this stuff. After all, it’s fascinating , it makes you think and consider different possibilities and even discover interesting bits about the Beatles history. I sometimes wonder if it was meant to be this way, like those “alternate reality” games, like Cicada 3301 or Pink Floyd’s Publius Enigma which I just saw a thread about. Something to make you ask questions and look for clues and realize there could be different ways of looking at the same thing depending on where you stand? Could Paul himself be the mastermind behind this? Could Billy Shears simply be his alter ego? Maybe he just likes messing with our heads or the message is indeed bigger than just Pauls fate, as ACV suggested? Maybe the clues go deeper than that, trying to tell us something about the Beatles and what happened to them? Questions...
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