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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 24, 2004 15:57:23 GMT -5
Very good job Jojo. I had forgotten about that. The first thing i noticed is the difference in head shape whereas Paul's was rounder and flatter on the top and Bill's is/was longer. Also, the eyes are very obvious. JP had eyes that were set further apart on his face and it is obvious in the interviews. JP's voice was softer and the Liverpool accent was stronger(for obvious reasons). But i will say that is one area where Bill did a good job is the voice. He sounds different but convincing enough to fool so many. He did a good job of that better than the singing voice imo.
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 24, 2004 16:06:48 GMT -5
As for you Flaming Pie, are you a flaming mole? How you've lasted so long on this board with your "opinion", is beyond me. You and I have already gone round & round re: the height discrepancy issue. You have even admitted frustration as to how his height keeps changing. I told you that an adults height doesn't change, but Faul's ability to disguise it surely can. You have admitted that it isn't JPM in "some" pictures....(?) What?!? Now, how and why would that be? Administrators, I think the so-called Flaming Pie is some kind of mole. He has to be! Appreciate the concern madtitan, but it is misplaced, I can assure you. Our little crew of PIAer's we got around here are cool; most of the time. And as Jojo sez, If they're willin' to follow the forum rules, well hey. That's all good. I've always been of the belief that keeping this forum open to opposing points of view is a plus. On the other hand, this can stir up some old arguments that'll result in a few days of goin' around & around about somethin'; & that stuff can get a little aggrevating at times, but I still think that the positives far outway the negatives... as far as this open policy of this forum is concerned. FP can speak for himself I'm sure, but I think he acknowledges that there's something fishy goin' on in some of the pics, but he's not convinced in PID or PWR, at least not PWR fulltime. Maybe parttime PWR? Right FP?
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 24, 2004 16:25:40 GMT -5
Really? If someone you disagreed with was this rude or derogatory, they would be reamed a new orafice for such a post. Point taken, But I still like the post! I think it was very well put. It can get a bit aggrevating at times, not being able to figure how people can NOT see this. And the occational practice of goin' around & around about something can get frustrating. And so I couldn't agree more with madtitan sentiments, besides.... that line of thought can be applied to a lot more than just PID.
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 24, 2004 18:13:27 GMT -5
FP can speak for himself I'm sure, but I think he acknowledges that there's something fishy goin' on in some of the pics, but he's not convinced in PID or PWR, at least not PWR fulltime. Maybe parttime PWR? Right FP? Maybe. Is the first person Paul? I say yes. The second person? Maybe.
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 24, 2004 18:17:29 GMT -5
I use slow a** dialup. It takes forever to load, and once it does, it skips and stops in the middle to load some more, it's just so annoying.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 24, 2004 20:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 24, 2004 21:16:01 GMT -5
I use slow a** dialup. It takes forever to load, and once it does, it skips and stops in the middle to load some more, it's just so annoying. Sorry about that, I wanted it to be as clear as possible, so the bandwidth has to be above a certain threshold. What I would do is right click save it before going to bed, or when you'll be away for a while, rather than subject yourself to "waiting for the watched pot to boil", know what I mean?
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Post by matchbox on Aug 24, 2004 21:39:05 GMT -5
H U H ? ? ?I'm an imposter? ? ? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ...and I'm dead? ? ? We're taking our ball and going home! ;D
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 24, 2004 21:53:19 GMT -5
Its been said a person's brain may sometimes block out unpleasant ideas/information as a form of self-defense.
Maybe certain people just aren't able to see past a certain point, no fault of their own.....?
Sorry if you or anyone else took offense to my usage of the word "mole"...No one thinks you are a threat to this board, or anything else for that matter.
I just used that word as a description of someone placed somewhere by someone to intentionally throw others off. Or to confuse the issue.
And you are that, Flaming Pie.
Yes, there are "billions" of people under the false assumption that this impostor is James Paul McCartney. And that's OK.
Most people haven't done the research, and don't know what we know. But what is your excuse, Flaming Pie?
I just have suspicions when people claim to have studied the evidence, yet can't see what is obvious: James Paul McCartney was replaced.
It is either one of two things....a person's brain is in self-defense mode and they honestly can't see what is before them, or maybe they are part of an effort to control this message from spreading too far or getting out. I don't see anything else as a possibility.
I've just come to the conclusion that its not possible to have studied the video, the photos, the audio, and still truly believe you are looking at the same man. It's just not possible.
It's like I tell my son, before you can formulate an opinion, you need to have facts. Statistics. Data. Information.
An opinion not based in hard facts in without value.
If anyone here hasn't studied the differences in distance between the eyes, head shape, hair part, height, eye color, body shape, voice, etcetera, why do you even bother to speak up?
Flaming, if you haven't even seen the interview footage JoJo has 1966/1967 (last press conference/LSD), you really don't know what you're talking about. I'd suggest you take a look.
I'm going to let this go for now, but good grief! Just look at the pics JoJo uses with his username....Africa truly did make a new man out of Faul!
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 24, 2004 23:12:44 GMT -5
I just used that word as a description of someone placed somewhere by someone to intentionally throw others off. Or to confuse the issue. And you are that, Flaming Pie. I was placed here by someone to throw you off? Really? I was? Looks like you're controdicting yourself: Where are your facts madtitan, that say I was put here to throw the PIDers off? Any evidence? And like I said before, why do you think I'm the only one who after looking over the "evidence" believes that Paul is the same man? What about Within, Matchbox, Larry, the majority of M4E??
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Post by revolver on Aug 24, 2004 23:28:47 GMT -5
If someone with a video editor could post the clip of Faul's first public "performance" street interview (left photo,) that might help convince some of the people on the fence that Paul was replaced. That's the one where he nervously scratches his cheek using his right hand while he tries to explain why the Beatles stopped touring. His accent's not too convincing either.
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Post by xpt626 on Aug 25, 2004 1:25:14 GMT -5
.....my usage of the word "mole...I just used that word as a description of someone placed somewhere by someone to intentionally throw others off. Or to confuse the issue. And you are that, Flaming Pie. not everyone here sees the same thing, and we can agree to disagree. But I don't believe FP is trying to "throw anyone off", I think he is just discussing his observations and opinions, as the rest of us are. No harm, no foul.
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 25, 2004 1:51:20 GMT -5
not everyone here sees the same thing, and we can agree to disagree. Exactly! I'm telling Madtitan I respect the fact he sees two different people, he just won't let it go that I don't.
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Post by Doc on Aug 25, 2004 2:26:54 GMT -5
I think FP has always behaved himself politely, adult-like on the forums. Differences in how we each interpret what we see and hear is honest and normal.
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Post by xpt626 on Aug 25, 2004 4:32:27 GMT -5
Exactly! I'm telling Madtitan I respect the fact he sees two different people, he just won't let it go that I don't. Yo Flaming Pie.... I can sympathize with Madtitan's frustration in a way (the line that sends me into a whirling dervish is when someone says no one could look that much like Paul and sound like him....I am weary to the bone of explaining that one ;D); but I do think he's coming down too hard on you. We want the atmosphere here to be one of mutual respect, and I don't like to see someone from either side trying to "force" their view on someone else. It's easy to cross the line from enthusiastic to aggressive, and I hope Madtitan didn't do that intentionally. You are as entitled to your observations and opinions as anyone else here.
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 25, 2004 4:39:32 GMT -5
Thanks Dr., Xpt.
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 25, 2004 10:24:03 GMT -5
I hope no one is getting too upset with me! Ha ha ha. I guess I don't mean to single you out TOO MUCH Flaming, but it is just hard (impossible) to see your point of view.
So impossible to the point that I guess its easy for me to question your motives.
Hopefully you are sincere in your inability to see that Faul isn't Paul.
Try this....place a moustache on the Butcher photo of Paul. Compare that to the unretouched photo of Faul from the Sgt Pepper CD booklet.
Is there anyway they could be the same guy? Pay close attention to Faul's as-of-yet surgically unrepaired chin (which leans to the left). Things become obvious....What about the huge brown contacts for goodness sake..!
People forget that all of this Beatles stuff happened in the span of 4-5 years. There's only one reason they would change their look so drastically between late '66 to '67. It was part of the strategy of disguising the differences between Faul & JPM.
This whole thing would be easier to dismiss is we didn't know about EMI/ House of Windsor connection. The Beatles fame and influence was just too powerful to not utilize.
They weren't just a couple of guys getting together to make some music. They were used to change society's customs and break down important barriers.
One of the worst travesty's of this whole thing was Faul introducing LSD and drug's to a very impressionable society, and doing it in Paul's name.
Too bad....
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 25, 2004 12:13:52 GMT -5
H U H ? ? ?I'm an imposter? ? ? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ...and I'm dead? ? ? We're taking our ball and going home! ;D MB, in your the two pics above, compare the eye distance. Bill's eyes are closer together for his face. Also, his ears are set closer to his head whereas Paul's stick out. And his eyebrows are not shaped the same as Paul's. Look at how Paul's eyebrows curl around his eye and they are longer than Bill's. Are you gonna say that Paul had his ears pinned back and also he plucked his eyebrows? Does someone's eye distance change as they get older?
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 25, 2004 13:02:38 GMT -5
Re: Matchboxs' photo comparison above....
No one said there wasn't a similarity! But your comparison is a perfect example of what I was talking about regarding how some people's brains can only accept a certain amount of info without short circuiting once you see something that goes against your programming...
You see a GENERAL resemblance, then poof! That's it! You can't go any further. I suppose it takes somewhat of an analytical mind to see things from this point of view!
Its the same stuff, the eye distance differences, THE EARS, the eyebrows, the nose, length of face, blah, blah!
Its just not the same guy! And as far as the age-old question of "how can someone else look that much and sound that much alike?"
Trust me, they don't!
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Post by matchbox on Aug 25, 2004 13:26:45 GMT -5
My post wasn't a comparison. It was a joke.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 25, 2004 14:27:02 GMT -5
My post wasn't a comparison. It was a joke. Well, I got it...
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 25, 2004 14:28:19 GMT -5
To quote Mr. Homer Simpson.....D'oh!
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Post by JoJo on Aug 25, 2004 14:42:21 GMT -5
If someone with a video editor could post the clip of Faul's first public "performance" street interview (left photo,) that might help convince some of the people on the fence that Paul was replaced. That's the one where he nervously scratches his cheek using his right hand while he tries to explain why the Beatles stopped touring. His accent's not too convincing either. That video is interesting, not so much for the use of the right hand, but that is the beginning of that gesture being used by Paul McCartney, period. As any poker player who fleeces people for a living will tell you, everyone has a "tell" and my theory is that that is his... Seems to be when he is having trouble deciding what to say. Saw that gesture a lot on the Anthology video. One thing I read regarding body language, and I don't know how true this is, but if someone looks down before answering a question, they know the answer, but they are about to lie. If someone looks up, they don't know the answer and are searching their minds for an answer to give. (make up) Maybe that's too broad a generalization, but I think our subconscious gives us away, unless you are a true professional liar and can look people straight in the eye no matter what you are saying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2004 17:14:35 GMT -5
Perhaps, JOJO......but I have seen a great deal of footage of Paul displaying similar mannerisms.......it could be vise-versa. ...Faul implementing Paul's known hand gestures, using as a stall technique/ distraction technique.
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 25, 2004 17:38:21 GMT -5
Madtitan, can you tell me who this is?
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