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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 26, 2004 19:04:13 GMT -5
Does anyone know where the vintage version of this pic is? It looks strange (that^) because it's zoomed out, and the texture of the pic is being squeezed. Madtitan, you want the full zoomed in version of that "scary" pic?
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 26, 2004 19:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by LarryC on Aug 26, 2004 21:52:08 GMT -5
I would be interested in seeing these scars myself. I have seen plenty of what some people on the other forum consider to be surgical scars, one example made his face look like a roadmap, but I'd like to see some undeniable sugical scars for once. The one uberkinder illustrates on the upper lip is also seen in Help, so you can't count that one...I don't think it was a scar at all actually, more like reflecting light from the TV cameras with a shiney metallic microphone near his mouth. I know...that sounds strange doesn't it...but I can show you a still from Help that shows the same line on his upper lip as you see in the Hey Jude pic.
Here's another thought to consider. If he DOES have plastic surgery scars on his face, and didn't want anyone to see them, why then would he allow so many close-ups of his face on film? Fool On The Hill in the MMT movie has the movie camera right up in his mush! And considering the length of time the camera was right in his face, and the fact that we are talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of 29 to 32 frames per second passing before your eyes, I doubt very much anyone went to the painstaking trouble of 'touching' the film to hide anything. Manipulating just one frame is a very tedious and time consuming task, and remember, we are talking about FILM, not video.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 27, 2004 6:13:19 GMT -5
To be honest, I've never been able to see the difference between the lines on his face, especially as he got older, and any alleged surgical scars. That is for sure something that you need medical training to discern. I will say that the Hey Jude video does seem to show are sharp and distinct line, time to go back and look at that one and study the lighting. One other thing that I do see, is the lines etched on his forehead in scenes where the forehead peeks through the bangs that were usually hiding it. Not surgery of course, just not IMO JPM's smooth 24-25 year old forehead.
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Post by LarryC on Aug 31, 2004 1:17:13 GMT -5
To be honest, I've never been able to see the difference between the lines on his face, especially as he got older, and any alleged surgical scars. That is for sure something that you need medical training to discern. I will say that the Hey Jude video does seem to show are sharp and distinct line, time to go back and look at that one and study the lighting. One other thing that I do see, is the lines etched on his forehead in scenes where the forehead peeks through the bangs that were usually hiding it. Not surgery of course, just not IMO JPM's smooth 24-25 year old forehead. /me gives JoJo a calculator...ummm 1968 minus 1942 = 26 ;D But I see your point. The thing is this about TV lights...they are so confounding to work with sometimes because of the shadow effects and there always seems to be a struggle between having too much or not enough of them. There is a very difficult balance that you never really achieve between too much light and not enough light that will remain constant throughout your production. Then you throw in having to correct the white balance on the TV cameras to achieve the best image for the lighting used...etc. I produced and co-produced in TV for a few years before I went to work in the Gulf of Mexico, and lighting was one of my worst obstacles to overcome. You can have perfect definition and contrast at one point, and then the subject being shot moves a little and either finds a hot spot in the lighting and washes out a little, losing some of the definition and contrast of their features, or they turn or tilt their head a certain way to find the one lighting angle that isn't covered in your array of lights making it appear that there is more definition or contrast than is actually there. And the camera sees it differently than your naked eye does too. With the right lighting angles and camera settings, you can unknowingly add a few years to a person's image on camera...but my own personal struggle always seemed to be that being filmed by TV cameras always seemed to add about 10 pounds or more to my apparent weight ;D. And that IS an honest delimma due to the way TV cameras process an image...they add 10 or more pounds to everyone! Those dirty rotten cameras!
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Post by JoJo on Aug 31, 2004 15:03:28 GMT -5
Thanks Larry.. But I was thinking of 1966 footage, looking through a camera in the African savannah... As for the lighting, well hey what do i know.. We were talking about that line on his lip that shows up and disappears depending on the angle of the camera and how the lighting is hitting his face. Agreed that it must depend on those factors. But is it a line that has any business being there, regardless? I guess I honestly can't answer, based on all these variables that tend to well, fuzzy up the issue..
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Post by LarryC on Sept 1, 2004 0:09:49 GMT -5
Thanks Larry.. But I was thinking of 1966 footage, looking through a camera in the African savannah... As for the lighting, well hey what do i know.. We were taliking about that line on his lip that shows up and disappears depending on the angle of the camera and how the lighting is hitting his face. Agreed that it must depend on those factors. But is it a line that has any business being there, regardless? I guess I honestly can't answer, based on all these variables that tend to well, fuzzy up the issue.. Ohhh...my bad on both accounts. I thought you were talking about the Hey Jude pic in your post above... Here is what I was talking about reference the line on his upper lip... I believe the one in the Hey Jude pic to be light reflecting from his mic...and that it may form that reflection on his upper lip like this as it is going past the rim or edge of his lip...I don't have any theories for why it seems to appear on this image from Help other than there was most likely reflective materials being utilized somewhere off camera for their lighting...but if you look at the Help pic you can see a similar line in the same place...this is why I discount that as being a surgical scar. And if you watch the movie this line seems a bit more apparent than it does in this frame...this is from the scene in Buckingham Palace when Ringo and George were playing cards...Paul has just come over to the table from bouncing the softball against the wall and is sort of teasing Ringo about not really neading his hand that the ring is on.
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