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Post by Red Lion on Aug 14, 2004 1:11:32 GMT -5
Just got done watching this video several times on anthology. Found something very interesting. I dont think its been mentioned before but it can be found on episode 6 chapter 7 at 39:34. It is a close up of John. There is what appears to be a white car behind his left shoulder. It looks like a the rear window of a VW beetle. In addition there is a reflection of light that goes across Lennon's face. Within the light you can see a man walking and then something that looks like a car running through the figure head on. The entire sequence lasts only a second but it seemed odd and out of place. Hmmmm.
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Post by matchbox on Aug 14, 2004 1:53:07 GMT -5
Kind of freaky.
It looks like someone carrying something, walking along the sidewlk as a car passes by to me. The car behind John seems odd as well.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 14, 2004 11:00:31 GMT -5
You mentioned the faded letter "P" somewhere RL, here's a still of that: A subtle clue to be sure, if indeed that's what it is. Now an animated gif of that movement playing out across John's face: (630K)
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 14, 2004 11:42:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the gif JoJo. Wasnt me who mentioned the "P" though. BTW is it possible to make that gif a little larger to show the white vehicle behind John?
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Post by JoJo on Aug 14, 2004 13:17:22 GMT -5
I beg your pardon about the bus sign business RL, but whoever was interested in that, well there ya go. There's no point in making a bigger animated gif and setting it in motion to get the car in the frame, it looks the same throughout the scene. Here's a still, unfortunately this was not a deep focus shot. Looks like a Rolls to me based on the shape.
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 14, 2004 14:12:03 GMT -5
Thanks again , yeah it does kinda look like a Rolls. Anyone think that figure might be JPM?
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 15, 2004 17:08:27 GMT -5
Thanks again , yeah it does kinda look like a Rolls. Anyone think that figure might be JPM? It looks like to me that he is carrying a bag of groceries.
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Post by ecenzo1 on Aug 17, 2004 11:08:31 GMT -5
It appears to me that the individual is carrying a box (like a cardboard packing box) of some sort. I perceive it as a square-shaped box, maybe 18" to 24" in size compared to its position to the man's torso.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Aug 17, 2004 19:40:20 GMT -5
To me the person looks like a girl wearing a dark mini-skirt (maybe blue) and black high heel boots. I can see the box (or maybe it's a shopping bag) the individual is carrying, but upper torso and head are blurred. The hairdo looks like it's perhaps light in color and short (though I suppose her hair could be tied back--it's hard to make out.).
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 20, 2004 12:29:09 GMT -5
I was the one who posted the clue regarding the faded "P" in "Penny Lane" on the bus. I just happened to post it on the other PID site. Oops!
Just happened to notice it while watching the video.
Seems there are a myriad of other clues in this video.
The biggest clue is hidden in plain sight....Faul himself.
Is there anyone out there who truly believes this man is JPM? You're kidding, right?
There is a scene where we see the boys walking left past an alley, left profile. Here, we clearly see Faul closer to the camera, yet the top of his head is lined up with the other 3.
What does this mean? He's taller.
Another instance of the height discrepancy between Faul and the other 3: There is a photo taken during the Abbey Road sessions...John is up front, smoking a cigarette, next is Ringo, then Faul (who is looking directly at camera with arms open wide), then George.
Faul is leaning back and bending his knees (both height reducers), yet the top of his head is still lined up with the tops of the others' heads.
Can someone post this pic? Thanks!
What does this mean? He's taller! If he stood up straight, he'd be towering over them.
Faul never allowed himself to be photographed while standing on an even plane with the rest of the boys.
On the few occassions he did, he was either leaning inward, slumping his shoulders, bending backward (the pic with Faul holding the dog!), standing with his legs spread further apart, etc.
What is funny to me is that people 30-something years later are barely beginning to see the clues that John left. He must have been incredibly frustrated that it was taking so long! He probably thought the general public was pretty dumb.
And who knows what he would think about the people who have seen the evidence, yet refuse to cknowledge it. Hmmm!
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 22, 2004 13:11:01 GMT -5
The biggest clue is hidden in plain sight....Faul himself. Is there anyone out there who truly believes this man is JPM? Yeah, about one billion people.
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Post by SimMHoward on Aug 22, 2004 13:15:25 GMT -5
more like 6 billion ;D
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 22, 2004 14:31:07 GMT -5
Yeah, about one billion people. People are deceived in masses.
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 24, 2004 0:02:20 GMT -5
When I asked if anyone believed if Faul was JPM, I wasn't referring to the general populace. I was talking about people who had seen the evidence.
The worst type of ignorant person is the one who chooses to remain ignorant. Actually, that person isn't really ignorant anymore because he/she actually knows the truth.
I'm not speaking of the "truth" that JPM is dead, but that he surely was replaced.
No one can say for sure if James Paul is dead or alive. As far as I know, there's never been a body recovered. Legally, that's about the only way to prove a death.
Some people need to get their head out of their rear, and quit acting like its some kind of possibility that Faul is Paul.
Quit lying to yourself. Quit clinging to this lie! Faul is living his double fantasy, but at least he gets to masquerade as "Sir Paul", and believes he is probably doing his royal duty to her Queenship or some such.
But as for those of us who have actually sat down, studied the physical evidence, it really is pitiful to watch some of you struggle to keep this illusion alive (to yourself). My question is "why"?
Sure we wish whatever happened to JPM never happened. Sure we wish he was still around, but this shouldn't be such a desire that you allow this to cloud your reasoning abilities to the point you are not believing what your eyes and ears are telling you!
Shake yourself!
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 24, 2004 0:25:08 GMT -5
I'm not speaking of the "truth" that JPM is dead, but that he surely was replaced. quit acting like its some kind of possibility that Faul is Paul. Well put.
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 24, 2004 0:30:22 GMT -5
Probably half the people who saw the "evidence" still believe he's alive. After the first time I saw it, I thought, "how can this be possible?", then went through maybe a month of confusion. But after doing MY OWN comparisons, the face, voice, height, I came to the conclusion that he was never replaced. Me and many others believe this.
You just have to accept that Madtitan, just like I accept you believe that he was replaced.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 24, 2004 5:33:26 GMT -5
Well put Madtitan, agreed. Flaming Pie, thanks for your thoughtful words as well. I'll only say this, that I find it almost impossible to conceive of anyone looking at as much video as I have, possibly believing they were looking at the same person. I'm not sure how much I have, but it's gotta be over one hundred hours at this point.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 24, 2004 10:22:40 GMT -5
I think I spent a good amount of hours looking at videos and looking at countless pictures of the Beatles together. Every video that the Beatles made or has been made about the Beatles I've seen. It has always led me to the same conclusion and that is that the Paul McCartney of 1966 and before is a different man than the Paul McCartney of 1967 to the present. BTW, welcome Madtitan!
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Post by madtitan125 on Aug 24, 2004 11:42:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome Darkhorse, but I've been around! I've started a couple of strings, primarily re: Paul & Faul's height differences.
If I'm not mistaken, you assisted me with a string on the other board re: the Hello Goodbye video.
I thought the floor was uneven like the Hey Jude album cover, but you pointed out that Faul was standing further away from the camera in order to create the illusion of being the same height as John.
As for you Flaming Pie, are you a flaming mole?
How you've lasted so long on this board with your "opinion", is beyond me. You and I have already gone round & round re: the height discrepancy issue.
You have even admitted frustration as to how his height keeps changing. I told you that an adults height doesn't change, but Faul's ability to disguise it surely can.
You have admitted that it isn't JPM in "some" pictures....(?) What?!?
Now, how and why would that be?
Just as JoJo has just wrote, how can you compare these two men and come to the conclusion they could be one and the same?
Administrators, I think the so-called Flaming Pie is some kind of mole. He has to be!
p.s. JoJo, you are doing some fantastic work at JoJo's Place. All I can say to that is Wow!
Flamer, you need to get over there and look at the interview comparison between late '66 & Faul's LSD interview. I believe JoJo has that online.
Would you be so kind as to place the link JoJo? Thanks
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Post by FlamingPie on Aug 24, 2004 14:08:21 GMT -5
BTW, welcome Madtitan! Uh, he was here for a while... Some kind of mole? Can you tell me how I'm a threat to this forum? And why is eveyone acting like I'm the only one here who believes he wasn't replaced? What about Within? LarryC? Kazu? Take a look at Macca4ever, they have "an infestation of skeptics". It's not just me.
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Post by matchbox on Aug 24, 2004 14:28:54 GMT -5
As for you Flaming Pie, are you a flaming mole? ------------ How you've lasted so long on this board with your "opinion", is beyond me. You and I have already gone round & round re: the height discrepancy issue. --------------- Administrators, I think the so-called Flaming Pie is some kind of mole. He has to be! I'm sensing some 60IF style paranoia. I think a little bit more respect for others is due here.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 24, 2004 14:55:49 GMT -5
Uh, he was here for a while... My bad. I should have said welcome back since he hadn't posted very much until these recents posts.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 24, 2004 15:01:24 GMT -5
First the link Madtitan requested, but it won't change anyone's mind I'm sure... www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/66_67interviews.mpgWell Darkhorse isn't really the "welcome wagon" person.. As for Flaming, well... nah I got a pretty good fix on him, and he's definately not a "mole", and I'm honestly not sure what that means. We're just a bunch of ordinary people with diametricly opposed points of view that get together to argue, LOL. Matchbox, Within, Larry, FP, and some others are pretty clear about their point of view, and yes they are a bit of a thorn in our sides, and they probably grumble about rules (I know they do, lol) they feel are arbitrary, but that's about all there is to it. Peace everyone, ok?
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Post by eyesbleed on Aug 24, 2004 15:39:17 GMT -5
When I asked if anyone believed if Faul was JPM, I wasn't referring to the general populace. I was talking about people who had seen the evidence. The worst type of ignorant person is the one who chooses to remain ignorant. Actually, that person isn't really ignorant anymore because he/she actually knows the truth. I'm not speaking of the "truth" that JPM is dead, but that he surely was replaced. No one can say for sure if James Paul is dead or alive. As far as I know, there's never been a body recovered. Legally, that's about the only way to prove a death. Some people need to get their head out of their rear, and quit acting like its some kind of possibility that Faul is Paul. Quit lying to yourself. Quit clinging to this lie! Faul is living his double fantasy, but at least he gets to masquerade as "Sir Paul", and believes he is probably doing his royal duty to her Queenship or some such. But as for those of us who have actually sat down, studied the physical evidence, it really is pitiful to watch some of you struggle to keep this illusion alive (to yourself). My question is "why"? Sure we wish whatever happened to JPM never happened. Sure we wish he was still around, but this shouldn't be such a desire that you allow this to cloud your reasoning abilities to the point you are not believing what your eyes and ears are telling you! Shake yourself! [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by matchbox on Aug 24, 2004 15:55:48 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] Really? If someone you disagreed with was this rude or derogatory, they would be reamed a new orafice for such a post.
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