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Post by puzzled on Dec 4, 2008 15:56:22 GMT -5
Here is another Google Book quote:
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"Pyramid Facts and Fancies," by James Bonwick
Popular tradition among the Arabs, revived among certain mystical Christian writers of our own day, indicates Seth as the builder of the pyramid. Seth, in this case, is probably Sothis, or Sirius.
Murtadi, 1584, says that the magical priest Saiouph made his abode, at the time of the Deluge, in the pyramid; "which," says he, "was a temple of the stars, where there was a figure of the sun, and one of the moon, both of which spoke." He mentions the great grandson of Noah, Bardesi, who as priest, "applied himself to the worship of the stars." He adds, "It is reported that he made the great laws, built the pyramids, and set up for idols the figures of the stars."
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 4, 2008 16:23:53 GMT -5
Here is another Google Book quote: books.google.com/books?id=uU-2ccabz6UC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=set+seth+connection+to+sirius&source=web&ots=zvN6ddCOh_&sig=uEh535hsdF2FGjF6cmgR9tOpSRo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA171,M1 "Pyramid Facts and Fancies," by James Bonwick Popular tradition among the Arabs, revived among certain mystical Christian writers of our own day, indicates Seth as the builder of the pyramid. Seth, in this case, is probably Sothis, or Sirius. Murtadi, 1584, says that the magical priest Saiouph made his abode, at the time of the Deluge, in the pyramid; "which," says he, "was a temple of the stars, where there was a figure of the sun, and one of the moon, both of which spoke." He mentions the great grandson of Noah, Bardesi, who as priest, "applied himself to the worship of the stars." He adds, "It is reported that he made the great laws, built the pyramids, and set up for idols the figures of the stars." Now you're pulling this into Sirius territory, which means that I have to bring The Secret Sun back into the picture. Yesterday he published the latest chapter in his amazing Stairway to Sirius series. Have a look. It's is the Egyptian synchromystic equivalent of Laurel Canyon!
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Post by puzzled on Dec 4, 2008 16:35:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads-up P(D)enny. I haven't been reading all the updates at the synchro sites as I've been absorbed in my own research the last few weeks.
I found another book by the same title but different author; "Seth, God of Confusion," by Herman te Velde.
Because of all the wordplay involved with the PID enigma, I perked up when I saw this quote discussing the meaning of the name Seth:
There are two instances of punning with the name of Seth that I know of, and there may be more. These show that the Egyptians themselves were acquainted with this pseudo-etymology, and applied it. The first is of a late period and comes from Denderah: "I have cut (meaning Seth, as is evident from the determinative) into pieces. The second is older and comes from the Coffin texts: "I have cut the gang of Seth into pieces."
There are indications that the Egyptians themselves regarded the Seth-animal as a fabulous animal. This does not mean they did not believe in its reality. The Seth-animal is shown in hunting scenes in tombs at Beni Hasan, which date from the Middle Kingdom. These scenes depict hunting dogs and various zoologically defined animals of the desert. Each time, the Seth-animal is represented in company with an animal with a snake's head and an animal with a falcon's head and wings, a so-called griffin. The Egyptian draughtsmen of Beni Hasan, then, associated the Seth-animal with the griffin.
Wings are already attributed to the god Seth in the Pyramid (next page is missing, darnit).
Going through the list of words determined with the Seth-animal, one gains the impression that Egyptian culture, as it shows itself in the script here, regarded the Seth-animal as an unpleasant rowdy and disturber of the peace. Writing on the divine joker, Van Baaren remarks "...the originator of confusion, like the creator who sets in order, is an aspect of total reality which cannot be spared." This aspect of reality in cosmic, social and personal life, which finds expression in the key words storm, tumult, illness, the Egyptians could typify by means of a Seth-animal with a curved snout and a straight tail. Thus the disturber of the peace became an element of order in the Egyptian system of writing with its many hieroglyphs. [...] Van Baaren continues: "Indeed, it is certainly not by chance that in the West-Indian Voodoo cult the god Ghede is at once the divine joker and the god of death, for the necessity of dying is in a sense the cruelest joke the gods have played upon mankind." In Egypt Seth is god of death, as appears from the myth of Osiris.
[*Edit - I noticed as I read more of this book that there are areas almost exactly the wording from the other book. Maybe another translation? The book review doesn't provide all the pages, but if you are registered I assume you get the missing pages?]
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Post by puzzled on Dec 4, 2008 16:59:08 GMT -5
The earliest representation of Set is that on a carved ivory comb from the Amratian period (Naqada I, 4500BC - 35BC, orthodox dates) and he also appears on the famous Scorpion mace head. His worship seems to have originated in one of the most ancient settlements in the town of Nubt (Kom Ombo), in upper (southern) Egypt. Nubt (near modern Tukh) lies near the entrance to the Wadi Hammammat, the doorway to the eastern desert and its gold deposits, and the city took its name from the word for gold, Nbt (which also means ruler or lord). As a result Set was sometime called "He of gold town". Nubt was the most important of the ancient settlements, and was located close to the site of the Naqqada settlement from which this early culture takes it name. Pre-dynastic worship of Seth was also evident in the 19th and 19th Nomes of Upper Egypt. He was thought to have white skin and red hair, and people with red hair were thought to be his followers. He was associated with the desert (which takes its name from the Egyptian word "dshrt" - the red place). He represented the fierce dry heat of the sun as it parched the land, and was infertile like the desert. Initially he probably represented the desert near Nubt, but soon he represented all deserts and foreign lands, becoming a god of overseas trade. Set had been associated with the desert and foreigners for some time before the Hyksos took over parts of lower Egypt. However, when they took him as their main god, this broke Set´s association with lower Egypt. His name was erased from monuments and his statues destroyed. All of his negative attributes were emphasised and his positive side was ignored. www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/set.htmlI am surprised to find the red hair connection. This theme keeps repeating itself, but I'm not sure why yet...?
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Post by iameye on Dec 4, 2008 17:28:45 GMT -5
I'm on that trail.....lol hey puzz, psst
so glad you are here! welcome! again!!
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Post by puzzled on Dec 4, 2008 18:05:37 GMT -5
Great Iameye - one trail I don't have to chase!
I did a quick search, but everything I found was too generic and wasn't pinging me.
And regarding the red hair thing, it doesn't seem to connect in this particular Paul area that I know of, but I thought of that one caricature of Paul in the MMT artwork where there is a red-headed woman standing there, and he has a large question mark over his head - is there a consensus about who she is?
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Post by iameye on Dec 4, 2008 18:17:21 GMT -5
who? wendy winter's?
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Post by puzzled on Dec 4, 2008 18:27:06 GMT -5
Ok, I'll have to read up on Wendy Winters then I guess. Is the image at all understood as to why he has the question mark over his head? "Fundamentals of the Esoteric Philosophy" by G. De Purucker. The cosmic egg was found as a symbol in Egypt; it was found in Hindusthan; it was found in Peru, where the ' Mighty Man' the Sanskrit Purusha, the I deal Man, the Paradigmatic Man, was called Manco Capac, and his wife and sister was called Mama Oello, which means 'Mother-egg'; these brought the universe into being, becoming later the sun and the moon respectively. (*removed link for size) I found this about the Manco Capac person: Another version of the myth says that Manco Capac was one of six siblings who emerged from a cave near Cuzco. The siblings gained control over the people of the earth, and Manco Capac became the first ruler of the Incas. Still another tale says that Manco Capac deceived people into believing that he was the son of the sun god. He did this by standing on a mountain wearing silver plaques that shone in the sun and made him look like a god. www.mythencyclopedia.com/Le-Me/Manco-Capac.html
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Post by puzzled on Dec 4, 2008 21:56:05 GMT -5
When we started talking about Heraldry, it got me to thinking that the Beatles are more like Bards than musicians. They tell a story, they commute history, they engage the audience, and they deliver cyphered messages. Oral history is another one of those areas that academia refuses to give credence, as it often gets lumped into "pre-history." As if the lack of written documentation means a complete lack of consistent recollection of history. In fact, considering how many lies we are told about our own modern history, they were probably more accurate than we are in our contemporary technological society. Certain people were given the important task of remembering the history of their community, and I would surely think that any kind of memorization process goes better with a musical accompaniment. I'm thinking that there could very well be a secret society of Bards, just like there is a society of Masons? Obviously the stone builders were not the only guild in the past? {I wonder if I have A.D.D.?}I found this information regarding Bards: Bards are found in Celtic cultures (Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Manx and Brittany) and a rough equivalent can be found in Norse culture, too, where they were known as "scops." There is no real equivalent to the Celtic Bard in Anglo-Saxon England, however. [ ha ha, I love those definitive statements ] In Ireland and Scotland, the use of the word "Bard" apparently fell into some disrepute, as the records we have show that the Bard was simply a minor poet, while the "filidh" (seer) or the "ollave" (master poet) occupied the former status and functions of the Bard. In Wales, the Bard was not so lucky. There, the traditions ossified, and the Bards, after the advent of Christianity, became Court Poets, known as "Gogynfeirdd," or "Prydydd," limited in subject matter and form, and with rigidly structured rules.The word that corresponds with the irish "filidh," in Welsh, would be "derwydd," (oak-seer) the word from which "druid" is derived. The "hedge-Bards" were the ones that carried on the real traditions of the Bard. These are the people that gave us the "Cad Goddeu" and the "Hanes Taliesin," and who -may- have passed the "Matter of Britain" on to the French troubadors and trouveres, thus giving us Arthur and Camelot. The word "Bard," in Wales, denoted a master-poet. In Ireland it meant a poet who was not an Ollave, one who had not taken all the formal training. Apparently even the lower-status Irish Bard was on a level with the Welsh Bard in knowledge and poetic education, however, and these were what I have termed "hedge-bards," above. In the Celtic cultures, the Bard/Filidh/Ollave was inviolate. He could travel anywhere, say anything, and perform when and where he pleased. The reason for this was, of course, that he was the bearer of news and the carrier of messages, and, if he was harmed, then nobody found out what was happening over the next hill. In addition, he carried the Custom of the country as memorized verses...he could be consulted in cases of Customary (Common) Law. He was, therefore, quite a valuable repository of cultural information, news, and entertainment. Bards were part of the Druidic hierarchy, though this may or may not (depending on who you talk to!) be period for the SCA. A true Bard must know the following: music (and the playing of a period instrument, preferably Harp), poetry (original, and other people's), song (original and other people's), the History, Law and Custom of his/her Kingdom and of the SCA, as much knowledge of mundane medieval history, Law, and custom as they can possibly learn, and at least a very basic knowledge of linguistics and alphabet/cyphers. Some training in Folklore, and in the arts of Sociology and Semantics would help, too. A reasonable amount of heraldic knowledge would not be out of place, either. See the list of suggested College courses at the end of this article. The Bard should investigate the "Matter of Britain" very thoroughly, paying special attention to Sir Gawain, and to Arthur's Queen. Do a little reading in the Robin Hood cycle, too, with special attention to the village festivals in Britain that mention him. Bards do -not- just sing songs! They recite, and write poetry, stories, tell myths (both historical and SCA...), but the operative word here is that they -speak-. Just playing music does not entitle you to be called a Bard. Some Bards are "titled," that is, someone, be it another Bard, or whoever, or sometimes (very seldom) the Bard himself, has given them a bardic "name" or "title," that serves to identify them. Thusly, I am known as "y bardd Gwyn," "Bard Ban," or "the Whyte Bard." Another was known as "Derwydd Prydain," while even another has no title at all, and does not want one. Be wary of taking such a title yourself. Allow the giving of such to happen on its own, and do NOT take it from a King of any kind, unless you wish to be the "King's Bard" in the Welsh sense of the word. Each individual Bard will have certain perogatives that they have developed over the years. I, myself, tend to interrupt a Coronation court, or other Courts, at any time with a poem, or a song, relating to the event. Other Bards will have other perogatives. Don't try to set yourself up with these; let them happen naturally. A Bard should remain as neutral as possible in matters of SCA politics, though the expressing of his/her opinion -in verse- about such things is quite acceptable, and is traditionally "non-challengeable," but maybe answered -in verse,- and ONLY in verse. The other classes of period musical entertainers include Minstrels, Troubadors, Trouveres, Jongleurs....and, believe it or not, Heralds! www.pbm.com/~lindahl/articles/onbards.html
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Post by puzzled on Dec 5, 2008 4:02:54 GMT -5
As I plug through the forum I came across this awesome thread which dissected one of Faul's videos. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=TAR&action=display&thread=3214&page=1Quote from horseloverphat: This sign almost Always follows the Sign of Horus (well this is the starting point...maybe Faul did the sign of horus just before the start of the video...who knows?) to cut off the energy current that was being sent forth while charging sigils etc. The Egyptian God of Silence. Harpocrates is Greek for the Egyptian Hoor (or Heru) -paar (or par/pa) -kraat (or kraath) and means "Horus the Child." Harpocrates is identified with Horus,who will "avenge his father Osiris". Harpocrates is the passive and concealed "form twin" (note the double heads facing each other in this shot, very Janus like and a massive give-away) in contrast to the active and conquering Ra-Hoor-Khuit. As "the Babe God", Harpocrates is also identified with "the New Aeon about to be born."; from the Class A text,Liber CCCLXX, Harpocrates is "hidden within him" (i.e. Horus). With all respect to horseloverphat, I would suggest that perhaps instead of a Janus reference, which would be jumping to a Greek mythology, that the Horus/Set combination is what is depicted here. I've noticed that many authors speculate that this double headed Horus/Set was only a combination that came about once Upper and Lower Egypt were joined (seems to be the explanation for everything) and one group worshipped Set, the other group worshipped Horus, so as a compromise they just melded them together. Knowing how they used these archetypes to convey such multi-layered information, I find that hard to believe. I don't know if horseloverphat is still posting here, but bravo for taking the time to outline all those choreographed positions. Great work!
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Post by linus on Oct 26, 2012 1:10:26 GMT -5
Letter B: This was an excellent connection: "Seth was born "not in due season or manner, but with a blow he broke through his mother's side and leapt forth." Or, in modern terminology: He was born of an egg that had been removed from his mother; a "test-tube baby" perhaps. "I am the eggman" koo goo ga joob! (Or possibly, but less likely imo, a Caesarian birth) I AM THE EGG MAN! This whole Egg Man thing has been bugging me, and I wasn't making that connection. The description in the writings is of him tearing his way out of her SIDE, which I guess I was also picturing as caesarian. Then yesterday while watching Help! and they sing that line in the song, I think it is Ringo swivels on his chair and the camera shot is directly on his crotch, shot up from the ground when they sing "I am the egg man" and then the next egg line is the line of men in the white outfits and caps, so I kept getting the "semen" connection from that. They definitely look like sperm cell costumes (I assume someone has called this one before?) I wasn't even thinking about an intimate relationship between McCartney and Lennon. I suppose if they really are Setians, then this would be a given, but I hadn't seen any rumors about any bi-sexual relationships with the band members? Again, if someone is involved in "secret" societies, then everything they do is obviously not exposed for public knowledge. I have seen a few comments about Faul being a clone, but haven't come across any evidence regarding that one yet, so I thought maybe that was just a tongue-in-cheek joke. Guess I'll search the forum and see what I can find. So the test tube baby is another one I had't pinged on yet. We know they've had the technology for years. The first time I read about it was around 1974, and the wording of the article made me think they had it figured out then. If I recall rightly, they admitted to cloning salamanders at that time. I'm already happy that I took the time to transcribe all this, as you've given me a few good trails already! Thanks! You could be on to something regarding the egg/sperm connection. Interesting. However, you meant MMT, not Help! and John, not Ringo. I noticed there's a close-up of the stripper’s bra at 1:57, then the Lennon crotch-shot at 1:59, then the “tunnel” shot at 2:01 (which is also seen at the beginning). www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnLrVolPe4YAlso, Paul’s thrusting at 1:45 Also, (on another MMT note) at 1:50 in Blue Jay Way there’s a lawn ornament with a wheel, much like seen on the Wheel of Fortune tarot card. And there’ s little white dog to Ringo’s left, much like the Fool tarot card. www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Ez_zifyYU
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Nov 5, 2012 1:07:10 GMT -5
Richard Serra Inverted House Of Cards, 1969
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Nov 5, 2012 1:25:18 GMT -5
shroomery.org were the grateful dead freemasonic satanists? an absurd title, maybe. a lot of interesting information. its safe to say i know more now than i ever have. and that forum and the thread have very little to do with it. but knowing what i know reading the thread makes it's faults painfully obvious. its like a david lynch movie. it plays on your naivety and expectations. www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1467277/fpart/1/vc/1(eraserhead and flipper's first album should be given to every child when they get to 8th grade.)
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Post by technonerd on Nov 21, 2012 17:37:13 GMT -5
I am interested in the pdf for the book Seth: God of Confusion. Does anyone know where I can get a free copy of the pdf or can anyone email it to me if they have it? Thank you!
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Post by B on Nov 21, 2012 19:57:54 GMT -5
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