Tara Browne

[beacon]

Aug 26, 2013 17:28:05 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

Aug 26, 2013 17:23:26 GMT -5 vOOdOOgurU said:

I'm going to be looking into the reported side of Tara Browne's fateful accident, but I'm wondering ...

Is there a way to find out what the zoning was in 1966 for that area of London. Whether it was one way, parking ban during certain hours. Maybe the borough keeps records of changes that were made year by year. There must be some records kept -- it's just attributing an organisation, or a name to them that is the matter at hand.

Dec 18
Sunday Shortly before 1am, Tara Browne and Suki Poitier leave the friends' house they had spent the evening at in search of a late meal. 7 minutes later their car crushes into a stationary van in Redcliffe Gardens (at Redcliffe Square).
Dec 19
Monday British newspaper `Daily Sketch' publishes picture of the Tara Browne crash.

First results in searching Redcliffe Gardens 1966 etc. So the accident happens just before 1am. So at least we have an idea what amount of traffic is going to be on the roads, fairly none. It's a Sunday night, most have to go to work in the morning, and London is no 24 hour city in 1966, nor now. There's going to be a limited amount of traffic on this road at that time of night.

There is an alternate story that says Tara was on his way to meet Dudley Edwards to discuss the external designs for Tara's Dandy Fashions store in the Kings Road when the fateful incident occured.



True, or not, clearly the design took place anyway, with or without Tara's input. As an aside here is a receipt from Dandy for a jacket ordered by one Mr Paul McCartney.



I am slightly sceptical about the late meal story, because, as vodooguru points out, finding anywhere open at 1 a.m. in 1966 London would have been a tall order. I have no proof, but I am going to speculate that Tara and Suki had just left Brian Jones flat in Courtfield Road and where on route to the shop on the Kings Road.



A crude representation I admit, however, 'A' marks Courtfield Road and the arrow shows Redcliffe Gardens. Courtfield Road was quite the party flat at the time, rivalling Robert Frasers as the place to be seen and consume, and Suki Potier would soon after move in there with Jones while she 'grieved'!



This newspaper report is from January 1967 - the following month - and shows the venue.

This is, I admit, idle speculation and does open me up to further claims of sensationalism. It is also Englishcentric, however, I make no apologies for this, I do this in order to contribute to the debate. Clearly I am a common prostitute, whoreing myself for a simple profit, however, I shall continue to lay back and think of England as it is all for the greater good!

[cherilyn7]

That is true in those days even clubs closed at midnight on Sundays due to licensing laws. Why would Tara and the other guy want to have a business meeting at 1 am; surely weren't Tara and Suki on their way home? However I've just read that Tara and Brian Jones were sharing a flat! Also, as I am coming to discover this is many-faceted and there is a theory that someone else may have been in the Lotus Elan and could have been Brian Jones (blonde hair)or someone else. This would explain why Suki Potier was unhurt and the other passenger may have been fatally injured too but whose identity had to be concealed.

[Jai Guru Deva]

[linus]

Interesting size measurements.


Here is the jacket he ordered. (according to the blogger who posted these)



Tara's AC Shelby Cobra


(AC, Aleister Crowley?)

[cherilyn7]

Nice jacket but can't have been Paul's it was pre-trip to Rishikesh. 36 chest seems rather small though.

[linus]

Is being to India a pre-requisite for wearing a Nehru-style jacket?

Auction selling McCartney's gold Brocade Dandie jacket.
www.gottahaverockandroll.com/lot-1890.aspx

Let's remember, they were wearing Eastern-influenced clothing long before trekking to Rishikesh.

[superman]

Aug 27, 2013 18:08:50 GMT -5 linus said:

Is being to India a pre-requisite for wearing a Nehru-style jacket?

Auction selling McCartney's gold Brocade Dandie jacket.
www.gottahaverockandroll.com/lot-1890.aspx

Let's remember, they were wearing Eastern-influenced clothing long before trekking to Rishikesh.

Well Paul and George were. Ringo's wearing an African dashiki and John's wearing what I can only guess is the costume he wore when he'd go out at night to fight crime as the Astounding Eggman.

[cherilyn7]

Of course the above MMT photo was before they went to India in February 1968; but the gold nehru jacket could not have been Paul's it was Bill's. The date on the order being July 1967 a month before they went to see the Maharishi first at the Hilton Hotel, London on 24 August 1967 then in Bangor, Wales on 26 August 1967. The Beatles changed their sartorial image after the end of 1966.

[linus]

At a Sotheby's auction in 1994, Russ had paid about $5,000 for a tailored tan jacket, size 39 regular, with epaulets, pleated breast pockets and Nehru collar. It was the so-called "Shea jacket," the very jacket Paul McCartney wore when the Beatles performed at Shea Stadium on Aug. 15, 1965.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/21/AR2007012101210.html




A difference of size 39 in 1965, and 36 in 1967. The Shea jackets appear to be tailored somewhat larger to allow for freedom of movement.

Make of it what one will.

I wasn't able to find any other documentation of Paul's clothing measurements.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Back to the Anchor?



The one thing that gives us scale, proportion and ratio of distance between multiple points in separate pictures.

If he's a 39 in 1965, and a 36 in 1967, wouldn't it suggest a 39 would hang off of him? A bit? It's 3 sizes up. I mean I don't know, to me that would hang off of him but as you say, it's meant to be loose for performance. But if a jacket is hanging off of you, and you're holding an instrument for 30 minutes, it's going to bunch up behind the instrument as you perform/play. Those jackets at Shea look like they fit well. Kind of getting my drift here with that? And when you're concentrating, performing, playing, sometimes things like clothes can get annoying! If something keeps getting in your way, or preventing you from playing accurately. Like if you rolled up your sleeves for a gig, and the sleeves kept falling down while you're playing. That's annoying! Even if you're trying to be all fashionable. It causes you to get out of the zone you're in while playing/performing/singing. Maybe that's just me, but concentration is paramount during a performance. Having some jacket 3 sizes too big for you would seem to me to be useless. Especially for such a short performance. He's only up there for 30 minutes. Sometimes they only played 20.

Anyway.

[linus]

[beacon]

Just found this snippet here by Kathy Etchingham, Jimi Hendrix's partner.

On the night of the 17th December 1966 Jimi and I went to a party. Brian Jones had come round and insisted we should go to a party to see his friend Tara Browne before he went off to Ireland for Christmas.
We arrived late and met Tara Browne and his girlfriend, the model Suki Potier who had both been spending that day with Brian, and they chatted with us around the dining room table. We exchanged phone numbers and said we would keep in touch and then they left.
Tara was driving his sports car and had a fatal crash in Redcliffe Gardens just minutes later.
Suki survived and later became the girlfriend of Brian Jones.
Jimi and I were shocked when we heard of the car crash. Tara was the first one of our circle who died.

[cherilyn7]

Notice Kathy describes the gathering as a "party". A party suggests a lot of people. Who else was there apart from Kathy, Jimi, Brian, Tara and Suki? I would not call 5 people a party.

Regarding the jacket sizes; it occurred to me straight away re the nehru gold brocade jacket that size 36 was small. That is small for a 5'11" man. Are there any photos of Paul/Bill wearing it? It occurs to me it could have been ordered for a woman: Jane? who accompanied him to India of course. The Shea Stadium jackets were meant to fit snug.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Aug 28, 2013 6:03:50 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

Notice Kathy describes the gathering as a "party". A party suggests a lot of people. Who else was there apart from Kathy, Jimi, Brian, Tara and Suki? I would not call 5 people a party.

Regarding the jacket sizes; it occurred to me straight away re the nehru gold brocade jacket that size 36 was small. That is small for a 5'11" man. Are there any photos of Paul/Bill wearing it? It occurs to me it could have been ordered for a woman: Jane? who accompanied him to India of course. The Shea Stadium jackets were meant to fit snug.

I'll keep looking, but I don't recall ever seeing him in a jacket like the size 36 shown. I thought that this series of photos from 1967might be it, but it's completely different.


But those images were the first I thought of. (There's a few of them.) I'll keep looking as said, if I come across it I'll let you know.

[cherilyn7]

The guy in the "anchor" t shirt is a double. Wearing the bouffant wig. This person has been noticed in a lot of photos; i.e. the one where the boys are coming down the steps of the PanAm plane with "Paul" at the front wearing the aforementioned bouffant wig. The obvious thing about the gold nehru jacket is that it was not JPM's as of course he had disappeared from view by the time of Tara Browne's demise.
The party could well have been at Courtfield Road; but why would they be heading for a shop in Kings Road at 1 a.m.? Where did Suki Potier live? Was Tara taking her home or were they heading to Tara's home (wherever that was). That would seem to be the logical destination.

[cherilyn7]

As Beacon said previously, "if Tara could swerve the car to save his passenger's life surely he could swerve it enough to avoid the vehicle altogether". He supposedly went through a red light; had to swerve to avoid a (Volkswagen?) car coming from the left and having done so veered off to the right to collide with the parked van/lorry (which was it?) but went too far to the right hence the Lotus hit this parked vehicle only on the driver's side hence his passenger escaped with bruises and shock. 106 m.p.h is a phenomenal speed on that type of road. The headline on the front of the "Daily Mirror" stated Tara was taking Suki home. Looking at the Lotus Elan again from that photo on the front of the "Mirror" it is taken from the driver's side, however, it would seem the car was so badly damaged inside that it would be surprising the passenger did not have worse injuries.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Aug 29, 2013 7:48:05 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

As Beacon said previously, "if Tara could swerve the car to save his passenger's life surely he could swerve it enough to avoid the vehicle altogether". He supposedly went through a red light; had to swerve to avoid a (Volkswagen?) car coming from the left and having done so veered off to the right to collide with the parked van/lorry (which was it?) but went too far to the right hence the Lotus hit this parked vehicle only on the driver's side hence his passenger escaped with bruises and shock. 106 m.p.h is a phenomenal speed on that type of road. The headline on the front of the "Daily Mirror" stated Tara was taking Suki home. Looking at the Lotus Elan again from that photo on the front of the "Mirror" it is taken from the driver's side, however, it would seem the car was so badly damaged inside that it would be surprising the passenger did not have worse injuries.

It's amazing how stories change over the years. They take on mythic proportions.

In numerous articles about this death, from the Daily Express, the Daily Mirror, etc I have for one seen no mention of the speed his car was going. I see mention of how fast a Lotus Elan CAN go, but not his speed at the time of impact.

In fact,. from the Daily Express, 19th December 1966 -

Suki's father (the newsprint makes it hard to read his first name) stated that Tara was not speeding when they crashed. A white VOLVO saloon shot across in front of them, causing Browne to swerve right into the back of the parked lorry.

But wait, this is the second time in 10 days that Mr.Potier has had luck of the draw in having a daughter escape death in a car crash. Sarah Potier avoided death in Northern France when her car flipped over after hitting a lorry. She escaped without injury.

First person at the scene --- Maggie Postlethwaite - fashion model (Hard to read the surname print) - with her children's nurse Avis Becker (25) they wrapped Tara in traveling rugs. He died later at hospital, which goes with the other report of him living another 2 hours after the crash. Browne was living at the Ritz Hotel, and had lived there since sometime in the beginning of December 1966.

By the 5th January 1967, the Daily Mirror establishes the car as either an E-type Jaguar, or a Volvo. Potier stated they left a restaurant at around 11.50pm, and drove "not very fast" down Earls Court Road into Redcliffe Gardens. The white car did not stop nor stay at the scene.

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[cherilyn7]

Re the speed 106 m.p.h I was merely quoting Beacon who quoted Wikipedia......
If they left a restaurant then they weren't looking for a late meal after all. Should that time have read 12.50 a.m?

[seasaltcaramel]

Aug 29, 2013 17:19:04 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

Re the speed 106 m.p.h I was merely quoting Beacon who quoted Wikipedia......
If they left a restaurant then they weren't looking for a late meal after all. Should that time have read 12.50 a.m?

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[vOOdOOgurU]

Aug 29, 2013 17:19:04 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

Re the speed 106 m.p.h I was merely quoting Beacon who quoted Wikipedia......
If they left a restaurant then they weren't looking for a late meal after all. Should that time have read 12.50 a.m?

Oh I know! Sometimes text gets misinterpreted. I didn't mean it to sound like I was correcting you. If you go around the internet concerning Tara's speed of travel, you'll see many state that speed or thereabouts. If he swerved the car at 106mph, I'm surprised he didn't flip a number of times down Redcliffe Gardens.

I was just stating that every article I ran across from December 1966 to June 1967, stated the maximum speed a Lotus Elan can reach, but Suki's statements in every article said he wasn't going that fast. And it was interesting to me that every article printed the specs about a Lotus Elan's top speed, but could not get a definitive speed the car was going from Suki. It's "not very fast", or they weren't driving at a speed that was reckless. The coroner's report also stated he did not have any drugs or alcohol in his system that would inhibit his reaction times or impair his driving skills. He was practically sober.

So what ruined the interior of that car? If the two eye witnesses could wrap Tara in traveling rugs, that means they :
1) Could gain access to the inside of the car.
2) Could place blankets on top of him, which means he wasn't necessarily pinned to anything. Which does not justify the steering wheelripped out of the panel, nor the roof ripped off. They could get to him and wrap him in blankets. It's winter. But they could get to him with ease, just as Suki could embrace him (she then blacked out, it was the last thing she remembered. )

So how did all this damage happen to the car if it wasn't traveling that fast?

It did read 11.50pm. The print was difficult to read in some portions, and the only concern I had was about the 5. It could be a 3, and read 11.30pm. But it was most definitely before midnight that Suki said they left the restaurant.

[cherilyn7]

So they weren't looking for food then. This leaves time gaps....the story has changed from leaving a friend's flat just before 1 a.m to leaving restaurant before midnight. Kathy Etchingham states that Tara and Suki had spent the day at Brian Jones' flat....they were at the party late that night when Kathy and Jimi arrived "late" then they left at some point and minutes later had the fatal crash.
The timeline is now all over the place. If Jimi and Kathy arrived at the party but were late (no time stated) but Tara and Suki were already there; at some point Tara and Suki went to a restaurant for a meal but this doesn't fit in with leaving the restaurant at 11.30 or 11.50 pm unless the crash happened at midnight not 1 a.m. ??

[cherilyn7]

Also if this was a party was it a party without food; hence Tara and Suki needed to leave the party to go to a restaurant as they presumably had not eaten. Supposing they were in the restaurant for about an hour, this would mean they left the party at sometime after 10 pm to get to the restaurant order their meal, eat it and leave by 11.30 or 11.50. If the crash happened minutes later that would not be 1 a.m...or have I missed something out? If Tara was not driving very fast and not under the influence of alcohol then how come he didn't notice the red traffic light? Presumably without any witnesses to estimate his speed at time of impact there is no why to ascertain his actual speed as when the car stops the mileometer reverts to zero.

[vOOdOOgurU]

Makes you wonder doesn't it? Something's not right here. Even more than what I thought before.

With all that in mind, it's not hard to see how a Volvo or Jaguar turns into a Volkswagen Beetle decades later. Tis the stuff of legend. A Volkswagen is never mentioned once in the articles. Not once. Volvo comes up twice, and Jaguar once. I'd go with a Volvo in this instance.