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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Aug 30, 2013 11:35:50 GMT -5
And not noticing the lights had changed does not come up at all either. It's that Volvo appearing out of nowhere that caused the accident. It left the scene and did not stick around.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Aug 30, 2013 14:47:11 GMT -5
At the inquest although Suki Potier stated that Tara was not going particularly fast when he drove down Earls Court Road into Redclffe Gardens, independent witnesses at the inquest suggested otherwise... (quoted from the Irish Times)...I think the "A Day in the Life" lyrics of "he didn't notice that the lights had changed", is probably where that idea came from and has stuck though Lennon said the song was not consciously about Tara Browne. However, presumably if there were traffic lights at that junction in 1966 where the pelican crossing is now; then in order for a vehicle to come from the left into Tara's path, the lights would have to have changed. ?
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Aug 30, 2013 20:12:54 GMT -5
"I'm Going to tell you all right now... If I'm going to have to die for this little African to have a Future Than I'm a Dead Motherfucker." I don't agree with that statement, but I understand it. Considering I went to Kenya in 2006 when I was 17. I saw those Mothers with their Children crying. Going to Africa changes people. It CHANGES people when they travel. I am Schizophrenic having seen little children throwing rocks at me for being a "Tourist" Gang Of Four - At Home He Feels Like A Tourist I care, Hon, really.And every stop is neatly planned For a poet and a one man band #Homewardbound  I hope you are sincere. Bjork - It's Not Up To You I hope and I pray. |
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I care, Hon, really.And every stop is neatly planned For a poet and a one man band #Homewardbound I hope you are sincere. I hope and I pray- For the DAY/\. It is totally up to ME. I hope and I pray- For the DAY You hoped, you prayed. I came. Yo. I came. It's not complicated |
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Post by skyw on Aug 30, 2013 22:34:06 GMT -5
People often comment about how he's seen holding a cigarette in his right hand, or in this case, a drinking glass. I think it is simply just a case of him using his "passive" hand to hold a cup or a cigarette while his dominant hand is free and able to perform any necessary action. I drink using my passive hand while my dominant hand is able to do other tasks. It is often seen in sports, a baseball player wears a glove in the passive hand allowing the dominant hand to throw the ball where precision motor function is required. In hockey, a goalie also has a glove in the passive hand while the dominant hand controls the goalie's stick, which is necessary for more "active coordination". |
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Post by linus on Aug 31, 2013 0:31:31 GMT -5
Sure, but: (not to get off topic, just more to back up the use of the right-hand, even for things like pouring, lighting lighters and batting. Like everything I post, it comes with a 'make of it what one will' clause)  I've tried to use a lighter with my left hand, just to see if I could. Mission Impossible.  batting right handed, 1965.  not flipped, his watch is on his right arm as usual. vintage magazine scan: jojoplace.org/Shoebox/James_Paul_McCartney.org/atbat.jpg Vintage magazine scan: jojoplace.org/Shoebox/James_Paul_McCartney.org/Paulwithgun.jpg  Doesn’t look like his left hand is doing anything too important in these:    smoking and drinking right-handed during this interview, while his left hand sits idle. He even does all of his gesturing w/his right hand in this interview. The only time he moves his left hand is to look at his nails. He even puts the cig out with his right hand.  Video: and it's not flipped, look at exit sign and other writings.www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlmLFwzVNY0 Deliberately holding a cig in his right hand in this staged photo...  As well as in this one. Should this also be a PID clue?  used on the sleeve of one of their early singles. This is a staged studio shot, why would he need to be smoking at that moment? At the very least, he was promoting smoking to millions of young people  Also this, from the inside of the Beatles For Sale LP.  (let VoodooGuru tell you of the Jane Mansfield connection in this image)    He's barefoot and using his right hand here, shouldn't that mean it's a PID clue? I guess the PIDer loop-hole would be no, because he's not in a 'funeral procession'. PIDers also claim you can tell it's 'Faul' in the Penny Lane promo film because he almost holds his bass guitar as a right-hander for a second. (though, he first grabs it as a lefty). In AHDN, he grabs for a drink during the press conference with his right hand.  and a sandwich  His left hand doesn't seem too busy:         and a wider shot of the right-handed baseball Paul of 1965.  Again, not fllippd. John throwing right-handed.    I'm not even trying to claim that he was right-handed (even though he might've been, or ambidextrous), mostly just trying to point out that he used his right hand just as much before 1967 (or more) as he did after. After all the 1000s of photos I've seen, I've still never seen one with him writing or playing guitar right-handed, in any era, that wasn't flipped. That is what would be important. |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Aug 31, 2013 8:00:18 GMT -5
But isnt't this on the wrong thread? Woteva: the Austraila press conference with Jimmy Nichol included was strange...Ringo was back and they said Jimmy was "leaving us tomorrow" so why have him there at all? No one seemed to ask him anything and if they had he wouldn't have given a straight answer; the others didn't say anything at all that made any sense and was boring! Paul said very little in contrast to the American press conference 1966 when Paul did most of the talking! Ringo and George did not utter a word.
But I still don't see what this has to do wih Tara Browne??
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Post by skyw on Aug 31, 2013 9:58:22 GMT -5
Sure, but: (not to get off topic, just more to back up the use of the right-hand, even for things like pouring, lighting lighters and batting. Like everything I post, it comes with a 'make of it what one will' clause) I've tried to use a lighter with my left hand, just to see if I could. Mission Impossible. batting right handed, 1965. not flipped, his watch is on his right arm as usual. vintage magazine scan: jojoplace.org/Shoebox/James_Paul_McCartney.org/atbat.jpgVintage magazine scan: jojoplace.org/Shoebox/James_Paul_McCartney.org/Paulwithgun.jpgDoesn’t look like his left hand is doing anything too important in these: smoking and drinking right-handed during this interview, while his left hand sits idle. He even does all of his gesturing w/his right hand in this interview. The only time he moves his left hand is to look at his nails. He even puts the cig out with his right hand. Video: and it's not flipped, look at exit sign and other writings.www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlmLFwzVNY0Deliberately holding a cig in his right hand in this staged photo... As well as in this one. Should this also be a PID clue? used on the sleeve of one of their early singles. This is a staged studio shot, why would he need to be smoking at that moment? At the very least, he was promoting smoking to millions of young people Also this, from the inside of the Beatles For Sale LP. (let VoodooGuru tell you of the Jane Mansfield connection in this image) He's barefoot and using his right hand here, shouldn't that mean it's a PID clue? I guess the PIDer loop-hole would be no, because he's not in a 'funeral procession'. PIDers also claim you can tell it's 'Faul' in the Penny Lane promo film because he almost holds his bass guitar as a right-hander for a second. (though, he first grabs it as a lefty).In AHDN, he grabs for a drink during the press conference with his right hand. and a sandwich His left hand doesn't seem too busy: I'm not even trying to claim that he was right-handed (even though he might've been, or ambidextrous), mostly just trying to point out that he used his right hand just as much before 1967 (or more) as he did after. After all the 1000s of photos I've seen, I've still never seen one with him writing or playing guitar right-handed, in any era, that wasn't flipped. That is what would be important. I use my passive hand to hold a glass, mug, bottle, etc. I hold a plate with my passive hand, while I use my active hand to use a spoon or fork to eat. I use my passive hand to pour cream, water, juice from a pitcher, I use my active hand to stir cream. I would use my passive hand to hold a cig if I smoked. I use my passive hand to reach for sandwiches or candy or peanuts, etc. These actions don't require great dexterity or precision or coordination. Like a sword and shield, your passive hand holds the shield. Hold a coffee mug in passive hand, use computer mouse in active. Hold cig in passive hand, use active to drink water from a fountain or to write down lyrics or a reminder sticky note. I think too much emphasis is placed on what hand Paul uses to do passive things, like cigs or cups. Certain people are more ambidextrous than others, eg, I would have no trouble using a lighter with either hand. My apologies for getting off the main topic. Try this, hold a bowl of cereal while standing and eat it with a spoon. What hand do you use for each? I hold the bowl with my passive hand and the spoon with my active, the opposite feels awkward to me, not as natural. |
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Post by linus on Sept 3, 2013 0:54:02 GMT -5
At the inquest although Suki Potier stated that Tara was not going particularly fast when he drove down Earls Court Road into Redclffe Gardens, independent witnesses at the inquest suggested otherwise... (quoted from the Irish Times)...I think the "A Day in the Life" lyrics of "he didn't notice that the lights had changed", is probably where that idea came from and has stuck though Lennon said the song was not consciously about Tara Browne. However, presumably if there were traffic lights at that junction in 1966 where the pelican crossing is now; then in order for a vehicle to come from the left into Tara's path, the lights would have to have changed. ? whatever happened, it elicited a laugh from Lennon when read the news and saw the photograph. |
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Post by iwilliam on Sept 8, 2013 16:35:38 GMT -5
I kind of agree with skyw's point here. I am right handed and I've used my left hand for lots of things. Including holding cups, drinking, smoking, using a lighter, etc. I am, however, more likely to use my right hand for any of these things. But it's not particularly unusual, or remotely difficult, to use my left. I also don't normally wear watches, but I've worn them on either wrist, at various points.
However, I have also seen pics of him apparently playing right-handed guitar... which is mega weird.
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Post by linus on Sept 8, 2013 16:40:22 GMT -5
Again, my only point is that trying to claim Paul died because he's holding a pitchpipe in his right hand in 2007 is an extremeley weak argument. Because we see him using his right and quite often before 1966. Again, it would be significant if we saw him writing or playing guitar right handed. Which has not turned up in an un-flipped image. Look for things like lip-scar, shirt buttons, hair part, pick guard, text, etc. (Not to mention that noodling around with the guitar the other direction is common practice. If he were performing live or for a recording, it would another matter). mostly just trying to point out that he used his right hand just as much before 1967 (or more) as he did after. After all the 1000s of photos I've seen, I've still never seen one with him writing or playing guitar right-handed, in any era, that wasn't flipped. That is what would be important. |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Sept 17, 2013 16:11:55 GMT -5
Well done for finding those pictures. It looks to me like the jacket in question: it says flared split cuff and it is gold brocade (the only thing I'm not sure of is the buttons; the original one shows 5 buttons starting at the neck; the one Ringo is wearing seems to have 6 buttons or no button at the neck. Though I'm not sure what relevance this jacket has to the death of Tara Browne?
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Post by linus on Sept 17, 2013 16:38:53 GMT -5
Ah, there does seem to be 6 buttons on Ringo’s as opposed to 5 on the other. Ringo’s buttons seem bigger and darker, too. And I’m not sure I'm sold on the pattern being the same. Ringo’s seems to be lighter colored, stylized, symmetrical leaf patterns, while the other seems to be more scattered, dark floral petal patterns on lighter cloth. Forgive me for continuing a conversation, originally started by Beacon, that I found intriguing. Forget I said anything. As the Ringo jacket question seems to be a moot point now.    There is an alternate story that says Tara was on his way to meet Dudley Edwards to discuss the external designs for Tara's Dandy Fashions store in the Kings Road when the fateful incident occured.  True, or not, clearly the design took place anyway, with or without Tara's input. As an aside here is a receipt from Dandy for a jacket ordered by one Mr Paul McCartney.  I am slightly sceptical about the late meal story, because, as vodooguru points out, finding anywhere open at 1 a.m. in 1966 London would have been a tall order. I have no proof, but I am going to speculate that Tara and Suki had just left Brian Jones flat in Courtfield Road and where on route to the shop on the Kings Road.  A crude representation I admit, however, 'A' marks Courtfield Road and the arrow shows Redcliffe Gardens. Courtfield Road was quite the party flat at the time, rivalling Robert Frasers as the place to be seen and consume, and Suki Potier would soon after move in there with Jones while she 'grieved'!  This newspaper report is from January 1967 - the following month - and shows the venue. This is, I admit, idle speculation and does open me up to further claims of sensationalism. It is also Englishcentric, however, I make no apologies for this, I do this in order to contribute to the debate. Clearly I am a common prostitute, whoreing myself for a simple profit, however, I shall continue to lay back and think of England as it is all for the greater good! |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Sept 17, 2013 16:58:22 GMT -5
Sorry Linus, it is interesting about the jacket: the first one was probably just a sample to show an interested customer what it looked like made up. However, as by then 5 July 1967 it must have been made for someone other than JPM, possibly Ringo though 36 chest does seem small and it is not tight fitting on Ringo in the photo.
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Thankyou Beacon ... though apparently Suki stated that Tara was taking her home (1 a.m is not the best time to have a business meeting when you have been out all day: it makes more sense that they were going home).
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Post by linus on Oct 10, 2013 0:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by beacon on Oct 10, 2013 3:29:20 GMT -5
Anyone know what the 'Tara Boys' sign means? I would love to think it had a Tara Browne connection, but, it is probably quite innocent. This is a 1964 photo of the Tara Boys Band from Ireland. My guess is it is something like that, but hope I am wrong.  |
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Post by paulmoran on Oct 20, 2013 8:19:05 GMT -5
"Ta'ra boys" in Brit vernacular means "goodbye boys", it's more of a northern England expression. "Ta'ra" = goodbye, see you later etc.
However, given the way it is spelled here and the fact these "Beatlemania" crowds were often staged that doesn't rule out these banners being some kind of inside reference.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Oct 24, 2013 18:24:20 GMT -5
That is correct, "ta-ra" means bye bye or cheerio in northern slang. I don't see any other reference is viable in this instance.
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Post by linus on Dec 22, 2013 21:08:03 GMT -5
Fishdilusions pointed out that December 18th, the day Tara Browne died, equates to 216. 12x18=216 6x6x6=216 Which is highly significant taking into account The 216-letter name of God and it's multi-layered importance. The 216-letter name of God is derived from Exodus 14:19-21 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShemhamphoraschGeburah, the Hebrew word for Strength/Severity has the Gematrical value of 216. Geburah and Chesed are the two Sephirot that make up the Twin Pillars of The Tree of Life. Also depicted as Jachin & Boaz, which translates to "Established in Strength". The word for strength is this case is OZ.  OZ at the Twin Towers in The Wizard. Also remember that NY is one letter off from OZ. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 21:40:37 GMT -5
Fishdilusions pointed out that December 18th, the day Tara Browne died, equates to 216. 12x18=216 6x6x6=216 Which is highly significant taking into account The 216-letter name of God and it's multi-layered importance. The 216-letter name of God is derived from Exodus 14:19-21 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShemhamphoraschGeburah, the Hebrew word for Strength/Severity has the Gematrical value of 216.Geburah and Chesed are the two Sephirot that make up the Twin Pillars of The Tree of Life. Also depicted as Jachin & Boaz, which translates to "Established in Strength". The word for strength is this case is OZ. OZ at the Twin Towers in The Wizard. Also remember that NY is one letter off from OZ.Haven't you heard? The Word is Love. dewey.info/class/216/about.en"the 216-letter name of God and it's multi-layered importance" Now a signed. By ME.lol  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 21:58:08 GMT -5
oh, and by the way, bro three sixes plus infinity equals home, it's the new math lol  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 9:14:13 GMT -5
Which is highly significant taking into account The 216-letter name of God and it's multi-layered importance. The 216-letter name of God is derived from Exodus 14:19-21 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemhamphorasch |
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Post by cherilyn7 on Dec 23, 2013 17:37:16 GMT -5
This thread is supposed to be about Tara Browne.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Nov 5, 2014 19:58:46 GMT -5
Again, my only point is that trying to claim Paul died because he's holding a pitchpipe in his right hand... Nobody on this board has ever claimed Paul is dead because Faul is holding something in his right hand. It's been supposed that Faul is naturally right-handed, while Paul is naturally left-handed. Henceforth, the investigation into passive/active hand use has more do with finding evidence which either supports or rejects this claim. Proving the claim true would likely do more to solidify the idea Paul was replaced, than actually prove Paul is dead; however, it would not preclude the possibility that Paul is dead either as findings can be used as further evidence to support that point. |
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Nov 5, 2014 20:03:55 GMT -5
This thread is supposed to be about Tara Browne. Yes, you are so right Cherilyn! So can we all get back to Tara Browne instead of making trite side excursions that have nothing to do with the subject matter?  | |
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