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Post by Connor Terru on Jul 28, 2009 19:15:32 GMT -5
It still says PID is just an urban legened. ;D Even sfter the article.
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jul 28, 2009 20:45:59 GMT -5
Sounds like "Hollywood Paul is Dead" to me. I'm confident that the first three syllables are "By the way". The last three syllables could be "Paul is dead", but it's possible that that's simply the power of suggestion working on me. The first line is clearly "All the way" There's no "wood" in there, so it can't the "Hollywood" But the last part is still hard to hear. It COULD be the same line, "All The Way" just sung a bit differently. I can also hear "All The day" But that doesn't really sound right. Who knows? Could be "Haddaway! Ate some lays!" |
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Post by il ras on Jul 29, 2009 18:01:51 GMT -5
I still say Earth is flat ;D
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Post by Girl on Jul 29, 2009 21:38:06 GMT -5
Good work, Il ras.
In any case, they would have to say that to cover their posteriors. Urban legend indeed.
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Post by teshdex on Jul 30, 2009 15:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by 8749 on Jul 31, 2009 17:47:16 GMT -5
I saw on a Google search that the Wired article is being discussed on a Digital Spy (.co.uk) forum. They call themselves, "UK's leading website for all things media and entertainment", so the discussion is getting around Europe. Let's see what we can do to restart the '69 discussion in the US.
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Post by 65if2007 on Aug 2, 2009 1:33:11 GMT -5
It still says PID is just an urban legened. ;D Even sfter the article. Hang on a bit, connor terru. Naturally, McCartney's death would continue to be an "urban legend" in the eye of science because whether or not he died is beyond the scope of what this particular science is supposed to prove. This forensic science is only supposed to be able to determine whether the face of Person A is the same face as that of Person B. Obviously, determining what happened to Person A if Person B isn't the same individual is beyond the science. "Fades" and comparisons that are supposed to show that young McCartney and older McCartney are the same person or are different people never impressed me either way because both sides have their favorites. I think that Jude said it best when he said that "Paul has a face that sometimes doesn't look like itself". Or something like that. And since the notion of a replacement is so fantastic, I've always felt that the burden of proof is on those who would claim that there has been a replacement -- and comparisons and "fades" that could go either way didn't meet that burden of proof. But between the Truby report on voice comparison and now this forensic report on face comparison, there does seem to be at least a smattering of genuine forensic evidence -- and it may not be more than a smattering right now -- to keep the conversation going. If there was a McCartney replacement -- still a huge "if" -- I suspect that the original died because I think that it's unlikely that the presence of the living original could have remained a secret anywhere. But that's speculation, not science. |
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Post by 65if2007 on Aug 2, 2009 1:35:05 GMT -5
I'm confident that the first three syllables are "By the way". The last three syllables could be "Paul is dead", but it's possible that that's simply the power of suggestion working on me. The first line is clearly "All the way" There's no "wood" in there, so it can't the "Hollywood" But the last part is still hard to hear. It COULD be the same line, "All The Way" just sung a bit differently. I can also hear "All The day" But that doesn't really sound right. Who knows? Could be "Haddaway! Ate some lays!" I'm reasonably certain that the first three syllables are "By the way". That's an "i" sound in the first syllable. |
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Post by B on Aug 2, 2009 2:05:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the translation, teshdex.
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Post by gerry on Aug 12, 2009 16:27:51 GMT -5
You are all making Fauls of yourselves. Seriously this is ridiculous. Words cannot describe how pathetic this is. The long time posters/believers please have a good think about how stupid you look, then delete the site. Christ on a bike lar. Pau.. I mean John will be spinning in his grave.
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Post by ramone on Aug 12, 2009 16:58:38 GMT -5
There's this guy Stevie you should meet.
Why?
The repartee would be worthy of it's own thread.
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Post by 8749 on Aug 12, 2009 17:27:28 GMT -5
As I've said before, the closer we get to the truth, the louder and nastier the criticism will be. Where are the moderators?
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Post by 65if2007 on Aug 12, 2009 18:04:18 GMT -5
You are all making Fauls of yourselves. Seriously this is ridiculous. Words cannot describe how pathetic this is. The long time posters/believers please have a good think about how stupid you look, then delete the site. Christ on a bike lar. Pau.. I mean John will be spinning in his grave. It's always disconcerting when worldly-wise people impose the crushing grip of reason on a conversation. |
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Post by JoJo on Aug 12, 2009 19:57:41 GMT -5
As I've said before, the closer we get to the truth, the louder and nastier the criticism will be. Where are the moderators? The moderators try not to be reactionary, if it becomes "pervasive" then yeah.. Gerry, you've made your point, keep making it however and you will find yourself out the door. Start your own. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 12, 2009 20:57:50 GMT -5
Where are the moderators? Keep in mind this is just one post. Everyone deserves a chance to be warned. Also, we don't always have the opportunity to prevent these type of comments the minute they happen. True. |
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Post by FP on Aug 12, 2009 21:05:11 GMT -5
As I've said before, the closer we get to the truth, the louder and nastier the criticism will be. Where are the moderators? Closer? What do we know now that we didn't in 2003? |
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Post by revolver on Aug 12, 2009 21:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Aug 13, 2009 9:54:12 GMT -5
My gosh, has it been that long? I'm starting feel like one of those trekkies trapped in a parallel universe aka "my parent's basement"! Scottie beam me outta here! ;D
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 13, 2009 10:23:33 GMT -5
My gosh, has it been that long? I'm starting feel like one of those trekkies trapped in a parallel universe aka "my parent's basement"! Scottie beam me outta here! ;D Somebody needs to make a Galaxy Quest type movie about PID! www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/ |
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Post by 8749 on Aug 14, 2009 16:44:00 GMT -5
Do any of you NIR'ers watch History Detectives on PBS? I do, and, believe me, if the Paul mystery were a 200-year old historical issue, the information on this board would be enough to convince the people on that program that Paul was replaced.
What is moving the bar of proof higher is the fact that this has all started and been continued within the individual and collective history of millions of people still breathing and thinking on the earth.
It makes a difference because there are several generations looking at this from different angles: boomers seeing another man from who they remember, Gen X and Y'ers seeing Sir Paul as the one and only, etc.
So whatever it takes to convince the greatest number of people of the truth is what we should be looking for. Documents, undoctored videos, getting the facts on this board out to a bigger group of people---all of that will help. 'Cause, I don't think Sir Paul is going to be looking in a camera and admitting the truth any time soon.
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Post by thisone on Aug 15, 2009 16:55:30 GMT -5
Do any of you NIR'ers watch History Detectives on PBS? I do, and, believe me, if the Paul mystery were a 200-year old historical issue, the information on this board would be enough to convince the people on that program that Paul was replaced. What is moving the bar of proof higher is the fact that this has all started and been continued within the individual and collective history of millions of people still breathing and thinking on the earth. It makes a difference because there are several generations looking at this from different angles: boomers seeing another man from who they remember, Gen X and Y'ers seeing Sir Paul as the one and only, etc. So whatever it takes to convince the greatest number of people of the truth is what we should be looking for. Documents, undoctored videos, getting the facts on this board out to a bigger group of people---all of that will help. 'Cause, I don't think Sir Paul is going to be looking in a camera and admitting the truth any time soon. EMail from friend:  Wow Michelle - that opens an very large can of worms! I've just done a search for a Windows equivalent and found this - "For a few months now Mac’s and their owners have had the privilege of using iPhoto 09. The next version of Microsoft’s Windows Live Photo Gallery, which is expected to have more features than iPhoto 09, is not due out for another few months; which leaves us Windows users felling left out." Photo 09 has many innovative features like: * Faces, will automatically tag faces using facial recognition, so you don't have to search through your 1000’s of photos * Places, allows you to tag where a photo was taken * Online Sharing, allows you to share your photos online (Windows Live Photo Gallery has this feature) * Enhanced Photo Editing From Apple too!! Looking forward to a Windows or Linux port! Who's got a MAC OSX then? P(Denny) - I'd hazard a guess? |
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Post by SS on Aug 15, 2009 16:57:13 GMT -5
Face recognition software is somewhat reliable but there are so many variables in photographs and even film. You have to first of all consider age. A male can grow taller up to age twenty-five. Next, you have to consider the body angle and posture and have an exact measurement of distance. Now what is very important is the equipment used, camera, lens, and any special effects, retouching, and the time period or decade a photograph was shot. One other point, you have to have many photographs to compare and still this is not and never will be science, pseudo-science perhaps. Last of all, males not only can grow taller to age twenty-five or so, the nose and ears grow as a person ages due to the nature of cartilage. Thrown in wrinkles, cosmetic surgery, colored contacts, you can see how difficult it really is to determine for a certainty the outcome of the analysis.
A couple of examples of the above would be the Rubber Soul cover, the slightly fish eye lens during a private meeting with the Maharishi with some friends in which we see elongated faces. If you look closer to the supposed photos of Jane and Paul, you will see she her height is level with Paul's eyes, remember posture, motion, distance, angles. and other reasons can change the visual aspect.
The very same thing will apply to the voice. As a person ages, the voice will change over time. You add smoking cigarettes and marijuana and you add a second factor to voice change. You have all heard smoker's voices. Then we come to the recording process where you have to recognize the technology and recording techniques of the decade and times. There is mono, two track stereo, these were many times dubbed and overlaid. Early recordings and the norm and fairly common, especially Beatles' recordings overdubbed the vocals in unison or even two different band members in unison. Take into account compression and effects in general, the generations of analogue equipment going into the digital age. Analogue tape recordings even got better over time into the digital age. Something as simple as the choice of microphone and distance from the mic to the mixing board adds subtle nuances to the final mix. You blend it all together and the recorded song covers many mistakes or background noise. The best known way to do a voice analysis is interview only, then again, you have most of the above variables to contend with for an exact science of an analysis.
I'll remain neutral to any PID/PIA.PWR opinion but just wanted to add some real food for thought to the mix in how any media is scrutinized to be said this is true or that is false, with any doubt. There is always going to be a reasonable doubt on either side of the issue.
This is the same as with my hundred or more videos I have created using backwards lyrics and I freely admit that this is not science as well. Surely, there is a whole lot of interesting coincidences in the very least.
Some take this more seriously than others and I can understand why tempers would flare up. In the end, we will all believe what we do and will have our reasons to do so. One thing is true, whatever a person thinks happened in history, there is only the future and isn't one thing anyone can do to change what has already taken place. This game is fun, in my eyes, not an intentional effort to blind someone to what is reality or our perception of reality. What this games does though is keep the legend alive and is if nothing else, the greatest marketing tool in recorded history. Speaking of history, it is being revised daily. My best argument is to say, unless you were there and witnessed history firsthand, it is all only hearsay.
Most people are conditioned from birth regardless of if we think this is the case. Factors are genetics, the environment, the age in which we all lived our lives, parents or guardian's teachings, our peers, the media including the written, our schools and teachers and religion too. This is what makes us all unique and forms our opinions in our belief system. We all as people have one thing in common, we all think what we believe is the truth. Where a person errs is when they try to use power and force other people to do their will.
One fault I have and we all have them, I never proofread what I write.
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Post by thisone on Aug 15, 2009 17:00:27 GMT -5
They are hardly likely to base their algorithms on features that change.....or maybe they actually will, thinking about it!
It's not going to be a very succesful app if it doesn't work?
*THEY* have had this stuff for years. There is one at every airport! CAPPS or something, that can pull individuals from a crowd!
I will be expecting 3 or 4 "Paul" folders.
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Post by SS on Aug 15, 2009 17:25:48 GMT -5
What is used in airports wasn't really what I was speaking of but more along the lines of photographs, film, and voice over the generations of technology. The airport software database has it's holes, for example, a person may fly when they are twenty and not again until they are sixty, it highly doubtful the software is sophisticated enough and would pick up on these differences. This doesn't mean it won't happen at some point in the future. By that time, there will probably be a machine which scans your genetic profile which as far as we know, will never change as long as we are alive.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 15, 2009 17:32:42 GMT -5
Sounded like fun, so I gave it a try. I used scans from of Paul from pre-67 magazines, so as to "train" Iphoto. It didn't exactly work too well, it only guessed correctly twice after something like 50 times or so. Now granted, these pics are from many different angles, sharpness, distance, etc. Guess the next thing to try would be clear portrait, fully front facing pics. Funny thing, it guessed one pic of Paul to be George.
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