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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 9, 2017 19:07:31 GMT -5
"I don't want to spoil the party": 'I don't want to spoil the party so I'll go I would hate my disappointment to show There's nothing for me here so I will disappear If she turns up while I'm gone please let me know I've had a drink or two and I don't care There's no fun in what I do if she's not there I wonder what went wrong I've waited far too long I think I'll take a walk and look for her Though tonight she's made me sad I still love her If I find her I'll be glad I still love her' "What You're Doing": 'I've been waiting here for you Wond'ring what you're gonna do Should you need a love that's true It's me Please stop your lying, you've got me crying, girl Why should it be so much to ask of you What you're doing to me?' " Everybody's trying to be my baby" 'Went out last night, I didn't stay late 'Fore I got home I had nineteen dates Everybody's trying to be my baby Everybody's trying to be my baby Everybody's trying to be my baby, now' (19 replacements? Maybe) www.azlyrics.com/b/beatles.html
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 9, 2017 19:34:12 GMT -5
More quotes from Apollo C Vermouth: willemaus.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/apollo-c-vermouth/'In the early days, the die was cast. As time crept along, and popularity increased, there were not many musicians that would not fancy a play with the band. There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul. When not available, and there was a time he was not, K—-(my omission) could fill the shoes (if you know what I mean). John was quite able to fill in, as was George. We were never in want of a good bass player. Just where one stops and another begins is left to the beholder.”Apollo' ------------------------ 'There are many fingers used to make a human hand. One hand…many fingers. Bill is the hand. Apollo' -------------------- No “one” person could replace Paul. Bill was chosen for his ties with the Beatles, his knowlege of their history, and that he was quite a capable musician and writer. Within the studio, Bill managed to fill the gap. Outside the studio, was quite a different story. Several recruits were used for differing reasons, Some used for photo ops, others for interviews. It required quite a cast of characters. It also explains the dfferences in photo comparisons. We refer to our replacement as “Bill.” But, he was more “heard” than “seen.”Apollo' ------------------- ' There exist many who have played a part in this ongoing drama. Some are dead, and some are living. Many have been mentioned in this forum. Some to a great extent, some merely in passing. It would stagger the mind in knowing just how many different souls it took to replace just “one.” Some seen and not heard, some heard and not seen, while others pulled the strings to create such an elaborate dance. What had been an easy fix, turned more complicated with time. Billy did not invent Neil. Neil is an actual person with the position within Apple that history has recorded. No mystery here. That is not saying that Neil was a innocent bystander in all of this. Just that the current line of thought is flawed way “beyond the beyond.” Bill is an actual person as well. Quite capable of filling in for a missing musician. His face is not as visible as “others” who had a more “visual” part to play, but the genesis rest on his shoulders. Apollo————————
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 9, 2017 19:56:23 GMT -5
Nice picture, Michelle. Thanks Have you seen Mommybird's post about Michelle McCartney here: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/4822/paul-mccartney-deed-pollEven in silly love songs, there are rarely so many "I Love You" as in the song "Michelle". So I think it may be talking to a child, this girl. "Michelle, ma belle" sounds childish too. Paul may have seen her a little when she was young, even if she doesn't know it.
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Post by superman on Jan 10, 2017 1:32:22 GMT -5
Also I read on a message board (cant find the link, am looking for it) that the song "Go Now" by Denny Laine and the Moody Blues (that he sang in Wings shows) had been recorded because of Paul's leaving: "Go now": 'We've already said Goodbye. Since you've got to go Oh you had better go now. Go now. Go now. Go now Before you see me cry. I don't want you to tell me Just what you intend to do now.' www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/moodyblues/gonow.htmlEven "Yesterday" says: 'Why she had to go, I don't know, she wouldn't say. I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday.' www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/yesterday.htmlThis is interesting because I recall a few years ago on a forum that Lionel Richie had released a song called "Just Go" and many said that the album cover was a code about how the "original" Lionel had been replaced. The picture show multiple Lionels with one of them being "erased". I also thought it was interesting that, when talk of a "replaced" Lionel was really starting to get loud, the album cover was changed to this:
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 10, 2017 2:41:44 GMT -5
Since we are digging up some old ACV quotes, it may be of interesting note that he said "anything prior to Pepper is moot"... carry on.
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 10, 2017 19:35:04 GMT -5
This is interesting because I recall a few years ago on a forum that Lionel Richie had released a song called "Just Go" and many said that the album cover was a code about how the "original" Lionel had been replaced. Hi Superman, People can quit their jobs for many different reasons. So why not singers also? The recording artists who are successful usually have a few years where they have one hit after another. During that time, they could quit because of the craziness surrounding them or to spend time with their family or for other reasons. They could also simply record in the studio and have somebody else do the shows. At some point, they start having trouble getting their new songs played on the radio. Many of them can still tour successfully singing their old songs, but they're often tired of them. Finding people who look and sing like them is not really hard. There are a lot of singers performing in local bands or in musicals who are very good, but who are totally unknown, simply because they didn't have a hit record.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 22:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 12, 2017 10:57:40 GMT -5
Also I read on a message board (cant find the link, am looking for it) that the song "Go Now" by Denny Laine and the Moody Blues (that he sang in Wings shows) had been recorded because of Paul's leaving: It was here, but the page seems to be gone now: beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/03/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-the-real-paul-mccartney-died-in-1966-and-was-replaced-by-look-alike-3115416.htmlHere is the post: ' - Denny Laine, a founder of the moody blues back in the 60s, said his group was friends with the beatles in england and often competed. Denny Laine goes on to say he and paul were good friends and hung out with each other. Denny Laine came out with a song his group the moody blues recut in 1965/66 from an earlier version sung by Bessy Banks in 1962 called go now. This is a haunting melody about saying good by to some one and they should just get on with it. Look at this video of the moody blues singing this dark melody and frame in your mind how the group is dressed in black and looking down till the end where they all look up with an angelic glow. Keep this in your mind because later 1970 the band wings was born and on the album cover they use that dark image of the boys which look much like the group moody blues from the vid go now. www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42kzEA9l8QIn the song band on the run, paul sings, well the first one said to second one there, I hope your having fun. The wings repertoire of songs all have a secret message to one paul mc cartney being gone. Venus and mars rock show What’s that man holding in his hand? He looks a lot like a guy I knew way back when Its silly willy with philly band Then In my green metal suit I’m preparing to shoot up the city And the ring at the end of my nose makes me look rather pretty Its a pity there’s nobody here to witness the end Save for my dear old friend and confidante – madamoiselle kitty The songs let out more hints with uncle albert, jrs farm, and others tell us a little bit of what happened'
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Post by maclen on Jan 13, 2017 9:27:59 GMT -5
the fatal flaw in this piece of nonsense is that no one saw or spoke up about anyone other than paul in the role of paul until late '66, early '67. the multiple-pauls and fauls crap didn't start until the rise of internet shilling designed solely to confound
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Post by ramone on Jan 14, 2017 11:46:49 GMT -5
Since we are digging up some old ACV quotes, it may be of interesting note that he said "anything prior to Pepper is moot"... carry on. True. But, he might have been referring to clues in the context of Pepper, and then future clues circling back to that starting point. Speaking about young Paul in this thread, I think this whole thing, genesis wise, was certainly when JPM was younger than late '66. Most of us are familiar with the Frost vid when Paul talks about retirement 'in a coupla years' - and that just happens to work out, oddly enough, to '66. The seed of his leaving might have been planted with the inner circle way earlier than most think.
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 14, 2017 13:47:16 GMT -5
To carry on, trying to put in chronological order the story told by the posts of Apollo C.Vermouth, Apollo had been comparing Paul to Darrin of "Bewitched" who had been replaced. Paul would also have left and been replaced, in 64 as shown by the songs in my previous posts. Apollo also wrote: 'Only in this case, the original Darrin came back to the show, after his fancy of leaving proved to be not quite in his best interest. ' But: 'There was not much desire for Paul to return. The reasons being, well…the reason he left in the first place. Plus, with the cast in place, he could afford more time to come ’round if he chose. Paul was never totally out of sight. In fact, he managed to play a part in most of the behind the scenes part of running the Beatles.Apollo' Elsewhere he mentioned the song "Cry Baby Cry". It shows Paul asked to be taken back where he came from, but they said "Cry, baby cry". www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/crybabycry.htmlBut at some point, it was: "Come home brother, all is forgiven". So that we come to: 'There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul.' Yes, Paul was back. All this is from the summary of Apollo C Vermouth's posts here: willemaus.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/apollo-c-vermouth/
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 14, 2017 14:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 14:41:29 GMT -5
That would be me, to whom those letters were written. Stop the killing now. Do it do it do it now Bring on the Lucie.
Apollolol
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 14, 2017 16:06:33 GMT -5
That would be me, to whom those letters were written. Stop the killing now. Do it do it do it now Bring on the Lucie.
Apollolol Hi Lucy, what do you think "bring on the Lucie" means? What is that Lucie?
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Post by ramone on Jan 14, 2017 16:18:45 GMT -5
So that we come to: 'There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul.' Yes, Paul was back. ACV wasn't saying JPM was back. This was in reference to him NOT being 'back' but contributing behind the scenes.
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 14, 2017 16:45:14 GMT -5
ACV wasn't saying JPM was back. This was in reference to him NOT being 'back' but contributing behind the scenes. To know if he was back or not, you have to be able to recognize the real JPM on the record. "It was mainly Paul" suggests there was somebody else also. While he was gone: Paul was never totally out of sight. In fact, he managed to play a part in most of the behind the scenes part of running the Beatles' At some point, he came back: 'Only in this case, the original Darrin came back to the show, after his fancy of leaving proved to be not quite in his best interest. '
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 14, 2017 17:54:02 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on Jan 14, 2017 18:23:36 GMT -5
So that we come to: 'There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul.' Yes, Paul was back. ACV wasn't saying JPM was back. This was in reference to him NOT being 'back' but contributing behind the scenes. I know what ACV meant - because the line above about bass playing was snipped from a PM he sent to me. I know what the context was.
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Post by rabbitteeth on Jan 15, 2017 11:37:55 GMT -5
ACV wasn't saying JPM was back. This was in reference to him NOT being 'back' but contributing behind the scenes. I know what ACV meant - because the line above about bass playing was snipped from a PM he sent to me. I know what the context was. Apollo already wrote that Paul was running things behind the scenes, when he was gone. Then he wrote that Paul played.bass on pepper. If he didn't mean that, what did he mean by that? He wrote that Darrin came back (comparing him to Paul). If it's not true, then all he wrote don't mean much.
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Post by ramone on Jan 15, 2017 17:36:08 GMT -5
This might be a matter of semantics here. How are we ,or you, defining 'back'?
As in: he left and now back visually and musically like before he left? Or gone completely and now back in some capacity on the audio side?......or....?
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 15, 2017 22:02:34 GMT -5
The Bewitched analogy was to demonstate that the first "Darrin" need not be deceased in order to be replaced. Dick York, the original "Darrin" never returned to the show. Apollo has intimated, however, that JPM did return in some form. FWIW, I asked Apollo where after 1966 would I look for evidence of JPM's return. His response " the White Album ( to some extent) and Abbey Rd."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 23:16:48 GMT -5
lol Read it exactly as written:
Remember that show on the telly, “Bewitched”? The original actor playing Darrin passed away. They quickly replaced him with another actor, to keep the show intact.
Now, the original Darrin needn’t have died. Maybe, he just said “fook it” and headed for greener pastures. Went on holiday, so to speak. But, to keep the original premise in place, somebody had to assume the role.
Now imagine, if you will, that scenario in context to this “mystery.” Only in this case, the original Darrin came back to the show, after his fancy of leaving proved to be not quite in his best interest.
By then, the show was on the “outs”, and the cast grew tired of each other, thus putting an end to the show. Now, each blamed the other for the demise, for whatever reason they could muster, and went their seperate ways. It’s kinda like that. Only different. I told ya I was disturbed.
Apollo———'Darrin did die though in real life, and then again in real life he was reborn. Flowers in the dirt. It’s kinda like that. Only different.www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/darrinlol
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Post by ramone on Jan 15, 2017 23:27:55 GMT -5
The Bewitched analogy was to demonstate that the first "Darrin" need not be deceased in order to be replaced. Dick York, the original "Darrin" never returned to the show. Apollo has intimated, however, that JPM did return in some form. FWIW, I asked Apollo where after 1966 would I look for evidence of JPM's return. His response " the White Album ( to some extent) and Abbey Rd." Yup. I just wasn't sure if our colleague rabbitteeth was thinking JPM came back visually - as back in the limelight or what. The Darrin illust. seems to indicate JPM wanted out at least temporarily - But, things didn't quite work that way. So, what was penciled in seemed to get set in ink over time. I don't think he was ever completely gone - he was contributing a lot behind the scenes. But, as far as coming back visually - well, I think that ship had sailed. Bill was inked in there, and also right there contributing on the audio side. ACV told me the same - Pepper, TWA, Abbey R. - and as far as bass work - that John and Geo could do some. And Klaus V. to name some names.
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Post by superman on Jan 16, 2017 2:11:48 GMT -5
Are there two different "Pauls" going around RIGHT NOW? Seems like it. The guy who was denied entry into that party thrown by Kylie Jenner's husband in February does not look like the Paul who performed at Minneapolis' target center in May. But maybe its my old eyes.
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Post by ramone on Jan 16, 2017 8:33:00 GMT -5
Don't have time to look for it right now, but didn't ACV say something like 3 heard and 2 seen after '70?
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