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Post by noodles on Aug 1, 2006 10:53:12 GMT -5
The Paul on the left has a larger nose, not great big, but larger, a more defined jawline and the eyes look different. The ears appear different. From the other pics posted side by side, it appears that there are 5 different men. Is this what some have come up with? I'd say four doubles and one real JPM in those pictures. Plus there's munchkin Paul from the Magical Mystery Tour party picture. I have a picture of him with Cilla too. That would be five. That's assuming some of these aren't the same guy. Lots more research needed to be done on this but I'd say there's good evidence for multiple Pauls. When I started looking at this I saw one Paul. Then two. Then three. Then four and five. Then I started thinking that was far too many some of these must be the same guy in different stages of surgery or with different facial injections. That's why I started looking at profiles because I was sure their couldn't be more than two or three doubles. Or even one or two. It's all very odd. These are people that had matching distinctive features including his eyes with are quite unusual. I think that throws casual doubles out of the window. I don't see Dino or Denny having facial surgery and then being altered back again. I wouldn't rule that out but it seems unlikely. Plus there's strong evidence of at least two Johns which makes things really puzzling.
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Post by noodles on Jul 31, 2006 12:19:08 GMT -5
there was a video of a Beatles performance (I think it was in '65) and IMO that was not JPM. I must find it I think 1965/66 was when they started messing around with doubles. I think they were using fake John and Paul plus the real ones up until September/October 1966 when they permanently replaced both. Some more captures from the 'Ticket To Ride' video.... Pixie Paul and a fatter stockier John 'We Can Work It Out' video. Filmed on the same day? I think this is from 'Daytripper'. They filmed a bunch at the same time anyway. They're not quite themeselves in the 'Rain'/'Paperback Writer' videos.
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Post by noodles on Jul 30, 2006 15:10:10 GMT -5
Wow. Well, I have no doubt that more than one double was used to try to replace Paul. I don't think that any of them ever accomplished that task. They might've stood in for him, even lived his life, but Paul is irreplaceable. None of them have that glint in the eyes that JPM had. You can't fake that. It's a real person in there.
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Post by noodles on Jul 30, 2006 14:44:04 GMT -5
He also doesn't look like Charlie Brill. Agreed. I don't see why every double has to be some other celebrity. Charlie Brill, Dino, Joey Molland, Don Knotts.... It seems far more likely they'd use unknown people for doubles/replacements. I'm pretty sure John was replaced more than once. Paul certainly was. Temporary and then permanant on both I think although my opinion may change with more research. One of the things I've been working recently is profile comparisons. It seems that profiles are a lot harder to alter than basic facial features (ears excluded). On the left we have 'Paul' from the 'Ticket To Ride' video. The right is JPM. I don't have a date but I think it's from the filming of 'Help'. If anyone can date it then I'd appreciate it. Obviously there's a huge difference in chin size and witch-chin-Paul doesn't have the saggy neck skin that JPM had. Or the same jawline. 'Strawberry Fields' Paul on the left now. Different headsize/shape, different ears, visible fake ear clips, etc. 'Strawberry Fields' Paul vs 'Ticket To Ride' Paul. Obviously surgery could have taken place between these two pictures but I'm fairly sure these are differnt people. Different head size/shape, jawline, etc. That would make three Pauls. LSD interview Paul and real Paul. Various differences the most obvious being the infamous long face. 'Strawberry Fields' Paul and LSD Paul. LSD Paul has a longer face, different nose, saggier skin on his neck, etc. Same guy after surgery?? Various differences. I doubt these are the same guy. The controversial one. LIB Paul meets LSD Paul? The left is from the 'Lady Madonna' video. Again could be the same guy before and after surger. Different nose, smaller chin...love those fake ears on the left.
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Post by noodles on Feb 25, 2006 5:55:32 GMT -5
It looks like a beared JPM on the right although obviously I may be seeing what I want to see. The figure on the left seems to be female.
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Post by noodles on Feb 7, 2006 12:56:52 GMT -5
This website has a huge list of premature rock star deaths. I apologise for the gloating Christian aspects of the webpage though.
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Post by noodles on Mar 8, 2006 13:54:16 GMT -5
lili, two months ago I thought the Paul McCartney that's annoying me so much today is the same Paul McCartney that made all those early Beatles records that we all know and love. My brain is totally scrambled.
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Post by noodles on Mar 7, 2006 16:06:02 GMT -5
Someone mentioned depends and IBS. I remember someone posting some pics of JPM with a bloated face, taken not too long before his death and someone said it was due to the IBS. Now, did they "bloat" Bill up to imitate that look so it wouldn't look too different from JPM?? OR.... Is this really Bill? Or have we been inFAULtrated with another Faux Faul? Well I guess I've said this a few times already but I'm pretty sure this is the second and main permenant replacement. If you watch the LSD interview and then the 1968 Apple interview back to back he seems like a different person. He's also very uncomfortable in the Apple interview swallowing nervously several times. He doesn't seem to have much of a bond with John and early on in the interview he bursts out laughing as if he's not used to John's sense of humour. This is also the period people on this board seem to refer to as 'Bill's peak' and yet if you watch them performing 'Hey Jude' on David Frost's show several months after the Apple interview he seems to have reverted back to the main 1967 'Paul'. I suspect this is because they were switching between the intemdiary Paul and the permanant Paul at that time to smooth the transition.
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Post by noodles on Feb 20, 2006 14:59:10 GMT -5
I have read that Marx actually got alot of his material for his writings from Albert Pike, a well known freemason and part of the illuminati. He's not the great mind he is given credit for. Plagurism was one of his qualities. But Marx was prominent in Russian idealism. Marx was neither a plagiarist, nor a freemason, nor a follower of Albert Pike. It's possible you're being misled by wacky right wing and religious anti-Masonic, anti-socialist websites. Marx was a socialist, left wing revolutionary who lived in near-poverty for most of his life. He was a scientist, a materialist, opposed to superstitious thinking and an atheist. He was strongly opposed to secret societies and would probably consider them elitist, bourgeois and feudal conspiracies against the proletariat. Like George Harrison, he was banned from France (after being involved in revolutionary activies in Paris). He moved to Belgium, then in 1849 settled down with his German wife, Jenny, in London. Marxism was adapted by the Russian materialist and revolutionary Vladimir Lenin into Marxism-Leninism: this was the basis for Russia's revolution and formation of a Marxist-Leninist state ---and it did not happen until the twentieth century. Lenin's innovation was the practical creation of a "vanguard" political party of communists that would immediately enact an overthrow of the capitalists, then socialism, then communism where workers ruled. Marx never detailed a practical plan of action, that's where Lenin took up the slack with his Russian communists. Marxist writings said that eventually socialism then communism would come about, but Karl Marx never predicted when or where, because it still historically early, and at the time he wrote Russia was still mostly pre-industrial, pre-labor unions and he did not think it was ready for a workers' overthrow of the czar's state. As someone who knows that one of the most famous people on the planet in 1966 was replaced by a lookalike I'm sure you know that what you believe the truth to be isn't always so. I don't want get get into a debate about Marx though, I've read enough to convince me that he was a fraud. Very disapointed to see you use terms like 'wacky right wing and religious anti-Masonic, anti-socialist websites', beatlies. I read wacky 'Paul Was Replaced' websites too.
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Post by noodles on Feb 19, 2006 14:36:04 GMT -5
He was also a freemason. Alledgedly a Satanist too.
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Post by noodles on Feb 13, 2006 7:16:35 GMT -5
Absolutely agree that from the WA onwards, it's the same guy, mountain man included. It was late 66 to early 68 or so that the vocals were done by..(who knows, but we have a list of suspects) Are you sure about the Jude guy being stage 2, and completely separate from WA (and LIB) guy? Hey Jude...The Long and Winding Road.. Just thinking of those two run together, it's the same voice. Haven't made up my mind about whether the guy at the dinner table is Tony S. or Neil, of course whether Neil was a temporary stand in is another issue. I'll agree that if the situation was dire enough, and there wasn't time to do anything else, (until a more suitable replacement was ready) then you might use someone very inner circle, someone that could be trusted to keep quiet. But I dunno, always wished it didn't require such a big jump, going from someone who was so lacking in the base features, to at least a fair match. (only fair really) Multiple Fauls I can understand and perhaps see, given the changing look depending on which function was being served. (stills, interviews, public appearances, etc.) Well presented Noodles, thanks. I think you're right jojo, it would make sense to have Stage 2 Paul miming to Stage 3 Paul/Mountain Man's vocals to ease the transition. I haven't had enough time to study MM's vocals yet or work out exactly where he first appears but he's certainly around by the time the 'Yellow Submarine' movie came along. I think they switched between 2 and 3 for a while. In fact I've seen a post Beatles picture of 'Paul' that looked like Stage 2 Paul. Lots more studying to be done. I've been doing some research into Tony and Neil pics. I don't think Neil was the Faul in the one pic posted with bloated cheeks...if you look on the one thread about Faul pics, it was posted and Neil was in the background, but his head is turned to the side. He may have served as a voiceover replacement in some songs, but not as a physical replacement. There are pics of him with Bill/Faul. So if he were Faul/Bill, then who is the Neil/Feil with Bill? Do you mean this picture? That could be anyone.
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Post by noodles on Feb 10, 2006 14:39:50 GMT -5
Surely this is Neil. He was probably a very temporary Paul. This is stage 2 Paul. Who slowly transformed into this. The change is subtle but he certainly became a lot more like JPM. This was another Paul they used early on. Altough I wonder if this is still Neil. Maybe he was a sub for the main Paul and also someone there to distract the public mind away from a single Paul replacement. This is the guy I call 'Mountain Man' inspired by another thread here. This is the guy we people know as Paul McCartney today. He seems to be the only replacement who could handle singing and playing live. He was probably in the background being altered and taught to be Paul until he was ready. His first vocal appearence seems to be on the 'White Album'. His first public appearence is probably sometime in 1968. I suspect he's North American and the real husband of Linda McCartney.
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Post by noodles on Sept 2, 2006 6:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by noodles on Sept 2, 2006 6:10:18 GMT -5
Let me show you what someone in our group got in response to a query to Bill Harry: Dear *******,
I tried to find information on the group, but was unsuccessful. I know of every band that has ever come out of Liverpool. They are not a Mersey group, and nobody seems to have ever heard of them, otherwise I would have been able to help.
Best wishes,
Bill.FYI, "Bill Shepherd" was mentioned to him in the question. Strange, no? Do you understand how odd it would be that the repository of all information Beatles/Mersey would have never heard of the Pepperpots? Or your father and his involvement? Even as a amusing historical footnote? Why is this odd? They weren't a real band. They weren't from Merseyside. It makes perfect sense that he wouldn't have heard of them. Why don't you send him scans of the sleeves and audio for the albums and see what he says?
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Post by noodles on Sept 1, 2006 5:11:19 GMT -5
If there's a cover-up regarding Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots then why was the first JPM-less album named in direct reference to the band?
from allmusic.com reviews of
The Buggs - Beetle Beat
"The Beetle Beat is representative of the flood of imitation Beatles records that went on the market when Beatlemania hit it big in 1964. These albums usually feature a few Lennon-McCartney covers, some R&B and early rock & roll covers, and are filled out with inane originals incorporating token British catch phrases, like "Big Ben Hop" or "Liverpool Drag." The music was rendered by disinterested session musicians and marketed with a photograph on the cover of four or five mop-topped models in a Beatlesque pose. Some lucky consumers may have picked up an album of this type with The Beatles actually performing, albeit as backing musicians for Tony Sheridan. If nothing else, these records illustrate the magnitude of the Beatlemania phenomenon in its heyday. Nowadays, they can be found at the flea market for a cheap laugh."
and Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots - Merseymania
"Rumored to include contributions from a pre-Velvet Underground Lou Reed and John Cale during their respective stints on the Pickwick assembly line, Merseymania is thus the most infamous of the myriad exploito records issued at the apex of Beatlemania. While the Knickerbockers' expert forgery "Lies" proved the public would embrace faux-Beatles done right, Billy Pepper & the Pepperpots' leaden melodies and tuneless harmonies are anything but fab. For the most part, the songs merely ape the sound and sensibility of the Lennon/McCartney catalog, but even the two genuine covers ("I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Here Standing There") are laughably bad, rendered with all the limited enthusiasm and verve you'd expect from anonymous studio hacks. It's worth noting that Billy Pepper was supposedly the alias of Billy Shepherd, who Beatles conspiracists know as the man who reportedly replaced Paul McCartney following his 1966 death. What? You didn't know McCartney died? Google "Billy Pepper" and "McCartney" and prepare to be blown away -- or not."
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Post by noodles on Aug 31, 2006 7:24:51 GMT -5
No one sang lead with the Pepperpots. It's three or four men singing (very badly) all at the same time. There is one guy who sings a sort of semi-lead voice solo in places, in between the group singing. He sounds Faul-ish in the line "I won't know 'till I hold her close to me" in "Maybe I Will" ........... Is this "Bill Shepherd/Billy Pepper/Shears"? We don't know since they BIZARRELY DON'T REVEAL ANY OF THE PEPPERPOTS MEMBERS" NAMES. You must have a different version of 'Maybe I Will'. I'm hearing nothing remotely Paul/Faul or even in tune. If one of these guys ended up singing 'Helter Skelter', 'Why Don't We Do It In The Road', 'Let It Be', etc then he improved his vocals by about 10000000%* (*approximate figure)And there's nothing bizarre about the names of the musicians involved not being listed on a cash-in record. It's standard practice.
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Post by noodles on Aug 31, 2006 4:51:54 GMT -5
Please tell me who sang lead with the Pepperpots also! This is wierd- that guy actually did look a lot like Paul! No one sang lead with the Pepperpots. It's three or four men singing (very badly) all at the same time.
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Post by noodles on Aug 30, 2006 12:59:33 GMT -5
I think the Pepperpots name is too much of a coincidence though, don't you? I think the idea of replacing Paul McCartney with a surgically altered double and then announcing to the world exactly where you got your double from is illogical to an extreme.
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Post by noodles on Aug 29, 2006 15:30:23 GMT -5
If you could keep you posts in that one original Bill Shepherd thread, jerriwillmore, we could have a much more coherant and interesting discussion.
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Post by noodles on Apr 8, 2006 7:35:54 GMT -5
They finally got a proper release in the early 1990s on the first of the ' Bootleg Series'. 'Talkin John Birch Paranoid Blues' is one of the tracks. Not sure of the others but it shouldn't be too hard to find out.
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Post by noodles on Apr 7, 2006 6:32:22 GMT -5
I'm sketchy on the details and the details sem to vary a little depending what you read but Dylan was on some TV show not long before 'Freewheelin' was due out and he perfromed a bunch of songs that where a little too political and caused a fuss which resulted in CBS removing four songs from that album. In house promo copies had already been pressed up and when a stereo copy of this album with the four extra tracks turned up in New York around about fifteen years ago it sold for the largest amount any record had ever sold for that that time. The second largest amount a record had sold for was the mono copy of this version of 'Freewheelin'.
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Post by noodles on Apr 4, 2006 14:28:05 GMT -5
The Illuminati seem to rather like us listening to romantic love songs. The pump enough out at us. Certainly Dylan got more romantic as time went by. The July '66 motorbike accident is certainly interesting. He disappeared for about 18 months and when he returned his voice had totally changed. This was explained away as being a reult of the accident and that may be true. I haven't done much investigating but so far I've nothing in his appearence to suggest a switch.
I figured it was more likely Baez is a programmed multiple rather than a knowing agent.
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Post by noodles on Aug 25, 2006 12:16:18 GMT -5
As a birthday present, hmm I'd say that's a good call. I'm beginning to think if there were plans for an Alice theme, it had its genesis with these statues from Mike. They show up on a single sleeve a few years later: Did John have AIW statues too? I had it in my head that the statues in this picture were John's.
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Post by noodles on Mar 7, 2006 15:50:07 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to David Icke's 'shapeshifting reptillians are running things' theory but I do think Morrison's 'I am the lizard king, I can do anything' line is very interesting. Ditto for his dad's high ranking position in the navy. Then there's Morrison's obsession with the same ancient 'gods' and myths the Illuminati seem so fascinated with. Then there's Morrison's belief that he was possessed with the spirits of dead native Americans. Then there's this line from 'Peace Frog':
"Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding / Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile egg–shell mind."
The "fragile egg–shell mind" makes me think of the shattering of children's minds used in Project Monarch mind control. In fact Wheeler and Springmeier claim in 'Deeper Insights':
"The Doors Singer Jim Morrison used the occult code name Lizard King and The Exterminating Angel. He was involved with mind control."
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Post by noodles on Feb 20, 2006 14:43:39 GMT -5
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