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Post by noodles on Mar 7, 2006 15:57:26 GMT -5
Cheers JoJo. I'm going to pick up the Anthology DVDs soon so if you don't get a chance to look I'll see if I can get a decent image capture of her. Really looking forward to seeing them again. Partially because they were just great and partially because I'm intrigued to see the change take place.
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Post by noodles on Mar 5, 2006 11:31:52 GMT -5
Cheers for the link. It's hard to tell if she was replaced. She certainly looks different but as someone pointed out in that thread a persons face can change a lot as they enter adulthood. Need some video clips. 'Guns at Batasi' is out on DVD May 23rd. I wonder that this release of news isn't disinformation to distract from what really happened. I think it's possible that Prudence was Mia's replacement. This talk of not being able to get Prudence outside of her room the whole month over there may have been a cover story. They pretended she was inside her room and wouldn't come out, when all the time there was noone in there because she was outside impersonating Mia if you follow me. Yet somehow they managed to convince others that both Mia and her sister were there. Perhaps noone really saw them together at the same time. "Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play" may really refer to inviting Prudence to play the GAME of celebrity replacement. It's possible but it seems unlikely. No one knew who Prudence was before her trip to India and I don't seem why they're draw attention to her to hide the switch. She's listed as being on the Anothology DVDs. Do you see her face in that? I don't have a copy and I haven't seen it for years.
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Post by noodles on Mar 4, 2006 10:56:25 GMT -5
It's so funny that you said that, Noodles. Everyday I lament the fact that my day goes by way too fast ! ;D So, you're saying that the Farrows are mind controlled slaves ? I know that it has been hypostulated on 60IF/TKIN that Mia was replaced. I've looked at photos that they offered as evidence. I know that at that time, I felt that it was a very real possibility. You feel that the Beatles were in on it ? I can see them getting involved with something that they didn't understand. Once those boys were introduced to the heavy duty drugs ( such as LSD ) I'm sure that they became alot easier to manipulate. What I cannot believe is that John or George would get involved in anything that they knew could result in Paul getting terminated. I know that Paul was often the "squeaky wheel", especially during the last two years of his life. He had become used to getting his way. John usually capitulated. He loved Paul, & he knew that Paul had become disenchanted with the whole scene. Something triggered a series of events that none of them had anticipated. Once triggered, there was nothing that John or George could've done to stop the outcome. Unfortunately, the outcome was Paul being killed ! I probably shouldn't comment on Prudence Farrow as I know little about her but Maria de Lourdes Villiers Farrow aka Mia Farrow is a little better documented. I suspect she's a mind controlled slave for several reasons. Her marriage to Frank Sinatra for one thing. Sinatra has been named as a slave handler by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler and she married him right when she was crossing over from TV into movies. Maybe he handled her programming for that transistion period. She was also involved with Dean Martin at the time. - from 'The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave' by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler Sinatra was around 50 when he married Farrow. She was around 19 or 20 (I've read differing ages in different articles). Then you have the movie 'Rosemary's Baby' directed by Roman Polanski. The storyline is very interesting. A young couple move into an apartment building in New York. The husband (played by John Cassavetes) is befriended by a well connected satanist couple who live in the apartment next door who offer him fame and fortune (he's an upcoming actor) in return for his wife being used in a satanic ritual, impregnated and giving birth to a demon. It's very symbolic of what conspiracy researchers have been writing about for many years. The movie was filmed in the Dakota bulding in New York which famously is where John Lennon and Yoko Ono lived from 1973 until Lennon's assassination at the Masonic entrance of the building seven years later. Ono still owns apartments in this building. Another famous resident of the Dakota was Judy Garland who again has been named as a mind controlled slave and her most famous movie 'The Wizard Of Oz' is apparently used for programming slaves. Interstingly Shirley Temple another alleged mind controlled slave and 'Sgt Pepper' cover star was also up for the role of Dorothy. Also interestingly Farrow's mother, actress Maureen O'Sullivan played Jane in a number of Tarzan movies alongside another 'Sgt Pepper' cover star Johnny Weismuller. On August 9th (exactly two years after the murder of Joe Orton, another interesting 'coincidence') Roman Polanski's wife Sharon Tate and four other people were murdered by the 'Manson family' in the Polanski's home in LA. The following night in LA Leno LaBianca and his wife ROSEMARY were killed by the 'Manson family'. They wrote 'Healter Skealter' in blood on the LaBianca's fridge door. When Manson and co were arrested they claimed to have been influenced by Beatles songs from the 'White Album' particularly 'Helter Skelter' and 'Piggies'. Sharon Tates killer was known in the 'Manson family' as Sadie Mae Glutz (her real name was Susan Denise Atkins) and it's alleged that she was known as 'Sexy Sadie' even before the 'White Album' was released. Where this was true or not I don't know but she was a topless dancer for a while which gives rise to the possibility of that nickname. When Polanski's pregnant wife was murdered Polanski was partying in London (she's been with him but had returned home). One week after her murder he posed for pictures for 'Life' magazine at the murder scene. In one picture he's in the living room where his pregnant wife was killed, her blood still very evident and in another he's at the front door of his house again blood everywhere and the word 'Pig' written on the door with his wife's blood. Polanski allegedly treated Tate badly after she gotten pregant. He allegedly cheated on her and just recently he successfully sued 'Vanity Fair' after they accused him of hitting on women on the way to Tate's funeral. Mia Farrow defended him in court. In 1977 Polanki plied a 13-year-old girl with drink and drugs, he then raped and sodomised her. He pleaded guilty but fled the US when he realised he would be going to prison. What this all means I do not know but there are three things that keep recurring in the PWR phenomenom. Freemasonary, satanism and mindcontrol.
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Post by noodles on Mar 4, 2006 9:44:30 GMT -5
You can't write off the Maharishi for 'conning people into thinking they can live in another body' just because lili suggested that in this thread. Where's the 'What the Maharishi is Doing These Days' thread? The search engine isn't turning up anything. It's in the "Beatle World" section of this forum, people associated with the Beatles. I titled it "Check Out What the Maharishi is doing these days.." Sorry, I didn't remember what I titled it exactly until I went back there. I find it strange that the Maharishi is being funded to build these Vedic cities...I wonder if Bill is funding these projects or perhaps George's estate left some for him...don't know...but he's getting alot of help from his spiritual friends... Cheers. I'll have a look for it. If you check out the Mayor of the Vedic City you'll see behind he he has three flags showing a sun symbol, an eagle and a gold fringed stars and stripes all of which have major alarm bells ringing in my head. I know from experience we should never judge a book by its cover but dude looks like an uptight mayor from any city USA rather than an enlightened human being. And as I say check out the proclomation on the front page. 'New World Order'. As Cathy O'Brien says that's George HW Bush and Adolf Hitler's favourite phrase.
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Post by noodles on Mar 2, 2006 11:34:51 GMT -5
It took me all of about 2 seconds to find the phrase 'New World Order' on the Vedic City website. I'm guessing they an illuminati mind control cult but that doesn't mean the Maharishi was part of that in 1968. I personally wouldn't trust the word of Mia or Prudence Farrow as I suspect they're both Project Monarch mind controlled slaves. I also know The Beatles and their team have lied to me all my life so I wouldn't trust them. Maybe he was a great spiritual teacher at that time but was taken out and maybe The Beatles and the Farrows were part of that. It's yet another topic that needs a lot more research. Oh for only more hours in a day. Or at least the illusion of time to end. ;D
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Post by noodles on Mar 1, 2006 15:12:53 GMT -5
THe maharishi is busy building Vedic Cities around the US. Check the Thread, "See What the Maharishi is Doing These Days".... I say a conman in guru's robes. Suck the money out of people thinking they can live longer, by living in another body. Maybe that is the reason that cloning is something many cults are involved in, like Clonaid, Raelians...they want to live longer and create another body to inhabit. Can we say ripoff? You can't write off the Maharishi for 'conning people into thinking they can live in another body' just because lili suggested that in this thread. Where's the 'What the Maharishi is Doing These Days' thread? The search engine isn't turning up anything.
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Post by noodles on Feb 26, 2006 12:40:33 GMT -5
Why don't you trust him? I wonder if The Beatles and the Farrow's were sent there to discredit him.
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Post by noodles on Feb 25, 2006 5:47:21 GMT -5
I like Deepak Chopra. I don't know enough about him to hazard a guess as to whether he's telling the truth but he seems like a good guy. I have his 'Book Of Secrets' sat by my bed waiting to be read and if I can crowbar a few more hours in the day I may even get to read it soon. I have a couple of lectures he gave too which are very enlightening. I does seem odd that he would have chosen to speak up now when these 'rumours' have persisted for so long. And why didn't Mia Farrow speak up about this? I suspect there's a lot more to this which will hopefully emerge in the coming months and years.
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Post by noodles on Feb 13, 2006 6:54:21 GMT -5
noodles, once again I must agree with you, let me make this hypothesis: they put in their works many more clues than we have now. What remains in the covers and in the LPs could be the result of a filtration operated by.... someone. Obviously what you say is a possibility ilras but I think it would have been very difficult to do. I think the 'clues' served several purposes. 1. They are a distraction. You only have to look at the countless clue obsessed websites and books to see that you can provide an awful lot of PID information without ever going near the real evidence. 2. Necessity. The fact that 'Paul' is facing forward on the sleeve of Sgt Pepper is probaly to make it easier to cut and paste JPM features on him. Album covers are studied a lot more than magazines and this was their first sleeve without Paul. 3. Mind control. As I said Tavistock or a smililar agency must have been involved in the cover up. 'I buried Paul' may well be a subliminal rather than a hidden message. Think about how many times you heard that before you actually listen to what it said. Your subconcious mind probably worked out what he was saying long before. 4. Disinfo. This ties in with no. 3. In a cover up you need a cover up. You don't just hide what you've done you make sure that anyone who gets a little too interested gets sent down all sorts of dead ends and still ends up believing a lie. The pre disappearence clues and the sophisticated nature of all of this make it seem preplanned. If that's the case then it wasn't an accidental car crash. 5. Symolism. I don't know how many of you believe in the hidden hand of secret societies but if you study the freemasons, the illuminati and so forth then you'll know how obsessed they are with symbolism. It's all around us. A lot of the 'clues' look like symbolism to me. Need to dig deeper though. 6. A PR excercise. The majority of people who take an interest in the PID phenomonem are Beatles fans and therefore want to believe that The Beatles are innocents in all of this. 'Clues' presented by The Beatles help support this. As I said it couldn't have worked without their full cooperation. BTW I'm not saying people shouldn't look for 'clues' and examine what has been found already. The 'clues' are very much part of this and in some cases throw up some very interesting questions. The Madam Tussauds heads being a prime example. And, there aren't many original 60's Beatle's LP's left circulating. Well, that is my personal idea. They are worth a lot; so quite costly to obtain. And just maybe they've been being bought up by just certain interested people over the last 38 years and put away out of being recirculated. $$$ will attract sellers; people don't mind or know the diff between a '67 Beatle record and a '70 reprint. They likely look equally old and too similar without scrutiny to clock a diff. Meaning-----the oldest issues, the true oldest issues that are hard to lay hands on, may have even more clues on them. Maybe the first issue of MMT has John whispering a clue thing in the middle of one of his songs that was gone by the second pressing............maybe 10,000 copies have something clue-like, one of those 10,000 LP's may be very very hard to ever run across..........10,000 isn't really very many LP units when you are staring down the reality of there being 2 million, 5 million, 10 million.......many more units ---of even just one title in circulation. They certainly changed things beteween pressings. There's the extended 'Tomorrow Never Knows' and someone mentioned a change to 'Blue Jay Way' on this forum too. But The Beatles were HUGE! Their records were pressed up in enormous quntities. 750,00 butchers sleeved copies 'Yesterday And Today' were manufactured. That's an enormous first pressing. Plenty of copies of this and every other Beatles first pressing are for sale every week on ebay. You're right though, they are generally expensive and it's possible that those with the money could be taking them out of circulation. But if you look hard enough you can find first pressings of pretty much any beatles record for little money. They may be in imperfect condition but they are out there. Your Tavistock reference has me reeling What if the boys were forced to take part in that mind control experiment ? Paul was VERY strong willed. Much more than John, believe it or not. John could be manipulated. Paul never played that kind of thing. He was always very no-nonsense & forthright. What if Paul refused to go along with the charade any longer ? What was to stop TPTB from eliminating Paul so that they could continue with their plans unchallenged ? I don't think that they realized just how irreplaceable he really was, until it was too late ! They may have got caught up in something they didn't want to be part of and certainly Paul may have been killed because he no longer wanted to play the game. If you look at what the replacement did when he stepped into Paul's shoes he basically started promoting LSD. They all did. When you watch the 'LSD interview' with Stage 2 Paul and you realise that he's reading from a script then you have to wonder. As Lennon said in that final Playboy interview 'We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD. That's what people forget.'
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Post by noodles on Feb 10, 2006 14:09:05 GMT -5
I don't believe that they were behind it lili but that had to have been 100% part of it. It couldn't have worked if they weren't. Obviously that means the clues weren't clues at all but something else. I think the car crash is disinfo partially fed to us in the 'clues' and partially fed to us via an unknown caller to a radio station. I suspect that Paul didn't die and I suspect that his removal was pre planned. They certainly seem to have cranked up the mind control machine long before he disappeared from public view. The extended head on the 'Rubber Soul' sleeve and the two 'Yesterday And Today' sleeves both fit the subtle mind control techniques and symbolism used on the post Paul disappearence sleeves.
The more I look into the this the more I suspect those Tavistock stories are true. The techniques that they used to hide Paul's disappearence were very sophisticated and must have come from govenrnment agency. I doubt the inspiration for that would have been money. No one knew what The Beatles would become at the point. They hadn't done some of their most memorable work. Certainly they were maturing with 'Rubber Soul' and 'Revolver' but it's much of the post Paul work that's kept their legacy alive and the money rolling in.
Officially much of The Beatles magic came from the Lennon/McCartney songwriting partnership and with Paul gone there would have been serious doubts over whether The Beatles had any future at all let alone a future that justified the enormous time and expense that must have gone into covering up what had happened. Not to mention the fact that at least one (probably two or three) people had their appearence permenantly change in some way. This also supports the fact that the remaining Beatle would have had to have been 100% sold to the idea. At any time they could have blown the whole thing. Would anyone have risked that without having guaranteed that the three remaining Beatles were part of this to the end?
Many of the 'Paul Is Dead' clues are so blatant that the record label must have noticed. I can believe that they missed the 'I buried Paul' at the end of Strawberry Fields' but the symbolism of the 'Pepper' and 'Abbey Road' covers is rather blatant (particularly 'Pepper'). People must have been examing everying very carfully, particually at that time, to make sure nothing slipped through to give them away. So it's unlikely they would have missed that changes to the Madam Tussauds heads, the left handed guitar on the grave and other obvious 'clues'.
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Post by noodles on Feb 10, 2006 12:29:55 GMT -5
When Paul was replaced the aim would have been to confuse the public mind. They dressed the band up in all sorts of weird and wonderful clothing that people had never seen them in before, they had new and everchanging haircuts and facial hair, Lennon started wearing glasses, they used several Paul doubles, changed some pictures but left others untouched, made the music very complicated and 'psychedelic', had the Beatles use different and new styles of singing, changed the general syle of the music, ssed several Paul voice impressionists and probably used voice impressionists to do some of the non 'Paul' stuff (I don't think that's John doing the bulk of the vocal on 'Come Together'). Anything to distract from the fact the 'Paul' looked and sounded different.
They would have used doubles for the rest of the band on occassions too and probably doctored some of their photos. I'm pretty sure that Paul is the only one who permanantly dissappeared though.
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Post by noodles on Aug 9, 2006 11:20:21 GMT -5
I think that this video and indeed the numerous Christian websites that cover this topic do more harm than good. Clearly there are links between the music industry and the occult/satanism/black magic/hypnotism/witchcraft/mid control/etc but by simply reporting (often out of context) titbits regarding a crossection of artists and failing to ever investigate this subject with any real depth it makes it all seem like a joke. As JoJo said I wouldn't take John's comment too seriously but if anyone does have that book and can put it into context I'd certainly be interested to read what else he said. Yoko seemed to be interested in magic. From the 1980 Playboy interview: ONO: " To make money, you have to spend money. But if you are going to make money, you have to make it with love. I love Egyptian art. I make sure to get all the Egyptian things, not for their value but for their magic power. Each piece has a certain magic power."
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Post by noodles on Aug 8, 2006 12:59:29 GMT -5
The quote's from 'Lennon - The Definitive Biography' by Ray Coleman. Page 256. I don't know any more than that. I just googled. ;D
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Post by noodles on Aug 1, 2006 11:28:28 GMT -5
Speculation becomes "fact" rather too fast at times, and not just there.. That's what got me interested in this. So many people were referring to faux Paul(s) as Billy Shepherd/Pepper and I wondered what evidence there was too back this up. When I first read about Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots I assumed they were a band that played some gigs, released a few singles but never got anywhere. It turns out there doesn't seem to be any evidence of any gigs and no singles (or media articles, publicity photos, stories, etc). All we have are two Beatles cash-in albums on a budget label with dreadful songwriting, dreadful singing and dreadful backing tracks. Based on what I've learnt so far I suspect they never existed. I suspect that Pickwick grabbed a few of their UK session regulars and had them pen Beatles style tracks ('Will you come out tonight....yeah yeah...'), recorded them in one quick session along with a couple of Beatles covers and then packaged it al la Beatles/Merseybeat and made a quick bit of cash off the back of the Fab Four huge success. Bill Shepherd made at least two records for Pickwick (excluding the Pepperpots albums), he made countless other budget records, arranged for The Shadows, Joe Meek and Gene Vincent and in 1964 emigrated to Australia and arranged for the Bee Gees for several years (he was still doing easy listening stuff at the same time). He came back to the UK and continued to work in the background making music into the 1980s. He seems to be the most logical person behind this album. The Billy Shepherd the writer aspect of this is certainly not something we should ignore. I'm not trying to say we should ignore any of this. But I'm assuming that this was born from someone finding one of these records and making the Sgt Pepper/Billy Shears connection and taking it from there. Certainly sopmething worth investigating but it does seem to have become ingrained in peoples conciousness and part of the PID folklore. I wasn't ignoring the points you were making, JoJo. I'm much newer to this than most of you and I really don't know where many of these stories began and I'm trying to work out how new they are and where they came from. I was introduced to the Billy Pepper thing via 60IF and I was wondering if it started there or elsewhere.
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Post by noodles on Jul 31, 2006 12:22:53 GMT -5
Where did this Billy Pepper thing originate from? TKIN/60IF?
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Post by noodles on Jul 31, 2006 11:03:26 GMT -5
I've got the first album on vinyl, JoJo. I can do a copy although it may take me a while. It's not very exciting though. It's much like the second one but they manage to get even more out of tune. Now wasn't Billy Pepper brought in to replace JPM because of his skills as a vocalist?
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Post by noodles on Jul 30, 2006 15:27:38 GMT -5
Cheers JoJo. Definitely the second album. These guys aren't very good singers are they?
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Post by noodles on Mar 28, 2006 11:00:45 GMT -5
Cheers beatlies. I'll get me a copy of this. I never took the Tavistock stuff seriously until I looked in this whole PWR thing and now everything seems to point to The Beatles being a mind control project in all sorts of crazy ways too. I'll be interested to see what this book has to say about it all.
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Post by noodles on Oct 31, 2006 4:16:31 GMT -5
Cheers JoJo. I've heard those pitched up/down vocal stories too. There may be some truth in them but I wonder if they're more about hiding the changes in Paul's voice.
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Post by noodles on Oct 30, 2006 13:34:04 GMT -5
In all honesty speeding up a vocal doesn't make much difference to the way a voice sounds, it just makes the notes higher. Obviously chipmunk speeds make for a different voice but to do it so it's not noticeably sped up is not going to make Paul McCartney not sound like himself. I personally don't think there's any JPM on Sgt Pepper. He may have written SLH or it may have been written for him but I'm fairly sure it's another vocalist albeit a much better impressionist that whoever recorded WI64. These are some vocal comparisons I made a while back. Yesterday/She's Leaving HomeShe's Leaving Home/When I'm 64Apologies for the Yousendit links. If JoJo could give these a permanent home it would be much appreciated.
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Post by noodles on Mar 8, 2006 14:24:28 GMT -5
Eric Clapton was replaced long before the mid-1970s. He may have been a double for George as early as 1967. It's interesting to watch the "Rock and Roll Circus" TV show with John and Yoko and the Rolling Stones (never shown on TV). One scene has John performing on stage with an Eric Clapton playing guitar George look-alike on his left and a Keith Richard playing guitar George look-alike on his right and a drummer who looks like George ! It's John Lennon and three George clones. Above them is Yoko Ono in the stage balcony like she is a marioneteer. I have the 'Best Of Cream' sat in front of me right now. Jack Bruce and Eric Clapton look almost identical on the back sleeve. They look like clones with different haircuts. It's odd.
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Post by noodles on Sept 2, 2006 7:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by noodles on Feb 4, 2006 10:31:48 GMT -5
This message has been moved to Clues by JoJo.
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Post by noodles on Feb 26, 2006 12:37:31 GMT -5
Boxing can change a persons nose.
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Post by noodles on Sept 4, 2006 11:42:52 GMT -5
Congratulations. I'm liking the paintings and the colour scheme in your house too.
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