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Post by 65if2007 on Nov 5, 2011 19:02:13 GMT -5
no, well this is HIM da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heurlinwith a little editing and inspiration from the Nutters who promote TheWingedBeatle as THEIR OWN work on their website accompanied by his bandmate www.youtube.com/user/snah111 Hans Buchardt as a Fohn as seen in some RA's still no trace of a secret "organisation" lets hope he didn't lose his girlfriend somewhere in LA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Well, I didn't find any mysterious remains in the briefcase. Hopefully, he didn't lose her in the Pacific Ocean.
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Post by 65if2007 on Nov 5, 2011 3:35:34 GMT -5
It's HIM -- beyond any doubt. It's him in the beginning.
No secret organization. No mysterious ties to Neil Aspinall or to Apple Records or to McCartney. He's just an otherwise ordinary dude from Denmark with a computer, classical Beatles albums, and a PID obsession.
Where does he find time to make a living? He mentions a girlfriend, but where does he find time to have one? His age is hard to figure out. He could be anywhere from 20 to 40.
This is in the beginning anyway, in 2006.
Of course since then, "Iamaphoney" has become about much more than PID -- the Satanistic, Crowley, Manson mega-conspiracy theory elements of the story have since moved into the foreground.
But not when this video was made in 2006. This is all about PID and nothing else. It doesn't seem likely that this guy would have taken any interest in those darker elements.
So I agree with Tafultong's oft-repeated opinion that the Iamaphoney "organization" -- for want of a better word -- expanded or underwent personnel changes that led to a change in the quality of the Rotten Apple videos and in their content.
And I guess that one can speculate to one's heart's content about who these other people are.
I wonder how much control this affable PID'er -- what's his name supposed to be? Martin Lind? -- has retained over its direction.
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Post by 65if2007 on Oct 29, 2011 16:22:58 GMT -5
I doubt that you find it "odd " at all, Letter B, since I assume that you decided long ago that there was a substitution.
I am far from certain that there was ever a substitution because extraordinary claims deserve extraordinary proof, and that still hasn't been offered. I am on the fence, as I have always been.
But it IS a puzzling statement -- just the sort of thing that keeps me interested.
The obvious PIA/PWNR explanation that McCartney's absent-mindedness about his own significant role in "setting up" the Beatles would be due to a failing memory brought about by the onset of time, by the huge number of events that he witnessed over the course of his lifetime, and by the use of drugs isn't satisfying -- not in this case, anyway.
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Post by 65if2007 on Oct 27, 2011 21:40:01 GMT -5
I don't see the connection; or else I'm just missing the point. What are you getting at, 65if2007? Really? Iamaphoney's Rotten Apple 38 shows Paul McCartney of Wings saying that this was his first experience in setting up a band -- he'd never actually done it before. He'd joined the Beatles as an "already set up affair". The point is that this October 17, 2011 story about the recent discovery of a letter from 1960 in which the historical Paul McCartney invited someone to try out as drummer for the Beatles ... ...underscores how actively he -- the historical Paul McCartney -- was involved in organizing the Beatles and makes all the more puzzling the statement made by Wings Paul McCartney in RA 38.
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Post by 65if2007 on Oct 17, 2011 21:14:05 GMT -5
"So I suddenly realized that I didn't actually know how to set up a band. When you think about it, I'd never actually done it before. I'd joined the Beatles as an already set-up affair..." abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news%2Fentertainment&id=8394871&rss=rss-wpvi-article-8394871Early Paul McCartney letter offers drummer tryout "A newly discovered letter found folded in a book at a Liverpool yard sale has shed new light on the Beatles' early days, revealing that Paul McCartney offered an audition to a mystery drummer in 1960, just a few days before the band left for a formative two-month gig in Hamburg, Germany."
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 30, 2011 23:46:32 GMT -5
No really, I mean this is just totally insane. It makes conventional PID seem staid and solid card-carrying establishment, by comparison. It almost makes 911 conspiracy theories seem common-sensical by comparison. Reclaim WHAT? If this song or some sort of variant of it had been written before 1948 -- or even before 1968 -- this theory would make just a little more sense than it does now. Just a little. Just a little. But in 1948, the state of Israel was officially established, and, of course, in 1967, the Israelis absolutely crushed the Arab armies in the Six-Day War. This song was apparently written and released in 1968, a year afterward. What need could possibly have been perceived to bolster Jewish/Israeli morale at that time?[/quote] 1. Reclaim the holy land, Israel, from the Zionists. Or were you of the impression that Zionists were actually practicing Jews? Lol, silly you! I think we all know that claiming to be something is not the same as actually being it. Jews don't live in Israel? Who does live in Israel then? Your argument is that the Beatles conceived of "Hey Jude" for the purpose of rescuing Israel from the Zionists on behalf of the Jews? Is that your argument? Are you sure that you don't also think that Hillary Clinton ran for President in order to pad her resume for a beauty contest? Normally, the answer would be "No". But the operative answer here is "Yes, if you're insulting the intelligence of your readers."
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 30, 2011 23:17:52 GMT -5
Don't worry about it.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 30, 2011 9:20:08 GMT -5
I don't think that RockXLight, who used to post to this board as "Jude", has anything to do with Iamaphoney. He posted a few videos as an Iamaphoney imitator and a few others with parody in mind.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 28, 2011 22:04:27 GMT -5
No really, I mean this is just totally insane. It makes conventional PID seem staid and solid card-carrying establishment, by comparison. It almost makes 911 conspiracy theories seem common-sensical by comparison. Reclaim WHAT? If this song or some sort of variant of it had been written before 1948 -- or even before 1968 -- this theory would make just a little more sense than it does now. Just a little. Just a little. But in 1948, the state of Israel was officially established, and, of course, in 1967, the Israelis absolutely crushed the Arab armies in the Six-Day War. This song was apparently written and released in 1968, a year afterward. What need could possibly have been perceived to bolster Jewish/Israeli morale at that time? You seem just a little ticked off. Just a little. And you have no answer. None.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 25, 2011 12:20:10 GMT -5
I hope that you and the protestors have cashed in your 401(k)'s, your IRA's, and whatever other equity shares you may own -- cashed them in and donated the proceeds to the deserving poor.
Otherwise, you're actually part of the oppressor class.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 22, 2011 21:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 10, 2011 23:59:22 GMT -5
No really, I mean this is just totally insane.
It makes conventional PID seem staid and solid card-carrying establishment, by comparison.
It almost makes 911 conspiracy theories seem common-sensical by comparison.
Reclaim WHAT? If this song or some sort of variant of it had been written before 1948 -- or even before 1968 -- this theory would make just a little more sense than it does now. Just a little. Just a little.
But in 1948, the state of Israel was officially established, and, of course, in 1967, the Israelis absolutely crushed the Arab armies in the Six-Day War.
This song was apparently written and released in 1968, a year afterward. What need could possibly have been perceived to bolster Jewish/Israeli morale at that time?
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 10, 2011 23:48:32 GMT -5
Nice! I would love to read what you've written concerning this topic. Can you point in the direction of this info please? I did my work, it's up to you to do yours. You were made to go out and get her ("get her" as in reclaim the holy land)
yes, it's all about the reclaim. Don't either of you quit your day jobs.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 10, 2011 23:47:44 GMT -5
Is anyone else here(besides myself) of the impression that Hey Jude is actually targeted to the Jewish people, not Julian? I've always known in the back of my mind that this song was not written for Julian. The revelation that this song was targeted at Jewish people came to me recently while watching a documentary on the Holocaust. At one point they were showing footage of Nazi Germany and the oppression of the Jewish population. There were shops with the name "Jude" written on them. I looked it up and "Jude" is German for "Jew". So, I took this theory and I looked at the lyrics. Here's the lyrics: My added commentary is italicized. From www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/hey-jude-lyrics-the-beatles/f3b4903642591f7748256bc2001d1579
Hey Jude don't make it bad Take a sad song (sad song=years of oppression) and make it better Remember to let her ("her" is not necessarily a woman - maybe a land? The holy land?) into your heart Then you can start to make it better
Hey Jude don't be afraid You were made to go out and get her ("get her" as in reclaim the holy land) The minute you let her under your skin Then you begin to make it better
And any time you feel the pain, Hey Jude, refrain Don't carry the world upon your shoulders For well you know that it's a fool who plays it cool By making his world a little colder (don't sorry for yourself, stop complaining and do something) Da da da da da da da da da
Hey Jude don't let me down (who is "me"? Who would the Jewish people let down? GOD?) You have found her now go and get her Remember to let her into your heart Then you can start to make it better
So let it out and let it in Hey Jude begin You're waiting for someone to perform with (some Jews are waiting for their messiah to arrive) And don't you know that it's just you Hey Jude you'll do (stop waiting for the messiah and do it yourself) The movement you need is on your shoulder (in Nazi Germany, Jewish people had to wear the star of David patch on their shoulder to signify they were Jewish. The movement they need is the star? The pentagram? Magick?)
Da da da da da da da da da Yeah
Hey Jude don't make it bad Take a sad song and make it better Remember to let her under your skin Then you'll begin to make it better Better, better, better, better, better, Yeah,Yeah,Yeah
1, 2, 3, 4, (Jude, Jude, Judey, Judey, Judey, Judey, Waaa!) 5, (Jude, Jude, Jude, Jude, Jude) 6, (Yah, Yah, Yah) 7, (Jude, HEY JUDE! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!) 8, (OH, JUDE!) 9, 10 (Jude, Jude, Jude, Jude, Jude, YAH, YAH, YAH, YAH!) 11, 12, (Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, OOOOH, WHAAAAAAAAAAA!) 13, 14, 15, (YAH, YAH, YAH, YAH, YAH, YAH, YAH, YAH, YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!) 16, (JUDE, MAHMAHMAHMAHMAHMAAHAAAAHH!) 17, 18, (Woooooo!) 19, (Well then a Nah Nah...) 20... Ok, so am I off my rocker or is there something there? You're off your rocker.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 9, 2011 15:15:44 GMT -5
how to match them up correctly: Paul and Paul - not impossible to match up at all Not impossible to match up? I'm a PID/PWR agnostic, and yet here I would say that you have two people who look very much alike -- alike enough to fool the casual observer or unsuspecting -- but who really don't match up at all. I'm not sure what you did to make these "match". But looked at separately, all of the features that the average PID/PWR true believer -- including nutcases like Tina Foster -- would point to are present here: the differing eye colors (my understanding is that eye color -- or appearance of same -- can vary at different times, depending upon age, mood, background, lighting, etc.), the different-sized foreheads, the differing noses, the different placement of the ears - the left ear anyway doesn't even come close to overlapping in your attempt to make a "match". Some of the other features, though, such as the teeth and the lines underneath the eyes are remarkably similar. But I wouldn't call this a "match". I'm still not expressing a firm opinion because I don't feel qualified to express one, nor is the average observer qualified. This is the sort of thing that can really only intelligently be discussed by experts in the field. I really would have loved if anyone trained in biometrics had followed up on the Carlesi-Gavazzeni article from a couple years back.
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Post by 65if2007 on Aug 5, 2011 1:02:28 GMT -5
I would like to say that only in this forum could footage of a plane striking a building be used to prove that a plane never struck a building. I'd like to say that, but, of course, it happens in many forums. The trouble is that when you have long hair and a beard, fibers get in your eyes at inopportune moments and you'll miss certain things. Where's this footage of the plane hitting the building you're talking about? You'll just say that you don't see it or that the Illuminati overlords have used their vast powers to create some photographic trick. And then you'll say that only Barack Obama can save us from them.
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Post by 65if2007 on Aug 2, 2011 9:27:00 GMT -5
I would like to say that only in this forum could footage of a plane striking a building be used to prove that a plane never struck a building.
I'd like to say that, but, of course, it happens in many forums.
The trouble is that when you have long hair and a beard, fibers get in your eyes at inopportune moments and you'll miss certain things.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 26, 2011 22:37:58 GMT -5
Chin music.... hey that's a nice way of putting it ;D The McCartney family were so happy to play along because they didn't loose anybody. In fact you'd think JPM had a lot more time to spend with family, not less. He wasn't in the Beatles spotlight any longer. So of course his family was happy with the arrangement. So where is he now?
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 26, 2011 14:28:22 GMT -5
My dead "cold" comment was a pun. As in cold to the touch. Get it? I like the board. It's interesting. I don't think Paul ever died but that's just my opinion. I have no interest in throwing up pictures of this and that or the other. I've seen ones where he looks different and ones where he looks the same. Whatever. I'm not invested in it either way but I'm not going to walk into someone's house and start throwing my weight around because that's rude so don't behave like I am. I have an open mind. That's why I even checked the board out in the first place. I saw a question about Paul's father's funeral and answered it to the best of my knowledge. Simple as that. Bye. I don't think that you have done anything for which you need to apologzie. I think that your point is well-taken. How indeed could McCartney's family so matter-of-factly -- and in the picture that you've submitted -- so cheerfully accept a substitution? I have an open mind about the subject, but what you have said is one of a number of things that -- at first blush, anyway -- seem just plain wrong with the idea that the original Paul McCartney died. And I think that talk about the so-called Illuminati is just so much chin music.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 24, 2011 11:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah GN, but I'm sure that "Nobody really" can produce his own set of early and late pictures that he can argue convincingly show the same man at different ages. It's been done before. I lost interest a long time ago in sets of "before" and "after" pictures produced by partisans on either side -- none of whom are professionals in the field of facial identification -- because those sets of pictures cancel each other out. The magazine article interested me simply because it actually did produce expert opinion on the issue. Thanks 65if2007 since that work just reproduce on paper what SunKing has already done on the net. They belong to the Prometeus team. Well, if the biometrics experts consulted for the Wired Italia article ever expressed the opinion that Brian Epstein was replaced by Don Knotts, they would lose all credibility in my eyes -- but, thankfully, they didn't do this.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 24, 2011 4:35:56 GMT -5
In other words, the individual that we are talking about is a cold-assed MF and that's all there is to it. Well, maybe. His heart bleeds over a barnyard animal destined for your dinner table but not for his own father. It's why I have no trouble with the idea of bedeviling him with questions about his identity. Besides, there's still this: ... and this: Yeah GN, but I'm sure that "Nobody really" can produce his own set of early and late pictures that he can argue convincingly show the same man at different ages. It's been done before. I lost interest a long time ago in sets of "before" and "after" pictures produced by partisans on either side -- none of whom are professionals in the field of facial identification -- because those sets of pictures cancel each other out. The magazine article interested me simply because it actually did produce expert opinion on the issue.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 23, 2011 22:46:23 GMT -5
official reason - Wings was on tour at time of Dad's death real reason - difficult relationship with woman Jim married after Paul's mother died. Paul never accepted her or Jim's 2nd family. All too typical. Son feels father betrayed mother. In other words, the individual that we are talking about is a cold-assed MF and that's all there is to it. Well, maybe. His heart bleeds over a barnyard animal destined for your dinner table but not for his own father. It's why I have no trouble with the idea of bedeviling him with questions about his identity. Besides, there's still this:
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 22, 2011 6:43:14 GMT -5
Well, you raise a good point. My brother died a little over a year ago and it was devastating. It will always be devastating. I couldn't imagine not displaying any grief or being able to go along with a substitution or displaying happiness in his presence. On the other hand, why didn't "Paul McCartney" attend his father's funeral? And then there's still the bridge of his nose...
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 22, 2011 0:08:39 GMT -5
Bones of Nazi Hess exhumed from "pilgrimage" gravenews.yahoo.com/bones-nazi-hess-exhumed-pilgrimage-grave-134124959.html"WUNSIEDEL, Germany (Reuters) - The remains of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess have been exhumed from a grave in Bavaria after it became a pilgrimage for thousands of right-wing extremists. A church official in the southern town of Wunsiedel said on Thursday the tomb had been razed and its headstone removed after consulting with Hess's family over how to handle the grave site. "The bones were removed and brought to the crematorium, and the ashes are to be scattered at sea," Peter Seisser said. An early, fervent member of the Nazi party, Hess spent time in prison with Hitler in the early 1920s and helped edit Mein Kampf -- the book in which the dictator outlined plans to destroy European Jewry and murder other groups he considered undesirable. Hess parachuted into Scotland in May 1941 after a mysterious solo night flight, apparently on an unauthorized peace mission. He was captured and held prisoner until 1945 -- briefly as one of the last prisoners in the Tower of London. After World War Two, he was sentenced to life in prison at the Nuremberg war crimes trials, then hanged himself in Berlin's Spandau Prison on August 17, 1987, at the age of 93. Officials granted his wish to be buried in Wunsiedel, but earlier this year started preparing the transfer of the remains elsewhere because extremists had treated the grave -- on which the phrase "I dared" was engraved -- as a shrine. Many far-right groups say Hess did not commit suicide but was killed by British military guards in prison, and conspiracy theories about the Nazi, who was interested in the occult, abound. Extremist groups often portray him as a martyr figure, and some from as far away as Oregon and California have organised memorials for him in the past, including a number of outdoor 'white power' rock concerts. The annual pilgrimage of neo-Nazis in Wunsiedel peaked in 2004, when authorities say some 5,000 people came from across Europe, including left-wing counter protesters. "Now, hopefully we can put it all behind us," deputy mayor Roland Schoeffel said. "We hope the phantom has left." (Writing by Brian Rohan, editing by Elizabeth Piper) "---------------------------------------------I ain't buyin' it. I think they want to clone him. I assume that you already knew that there was a theory that the original Rudolph Hess died in a plane crash and that a double was substituted in his place. www.eyespymag.com/intv.html
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Post by 65if2007 on Jul 17, 2011 2:14:08 GMT -5
Hi all! Just found this facinating site a few days ago and been rooting through it ever since. I haven't even scratched the surface yet of all that's gone on here. Seriously, I thought I was in a very, very small minority who still searched for PID clues and theories (been doing it since '76), and now.....here you all are! I am home! I don't know, Leppo. My experience, after going back through most of the threads, is to puzzle at the later contributions and to mutter to myself, "But what exactly does this have to do with PID?"
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