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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2008 23:22:01 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2008 22:52:54 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for that. Lots of reading to do. If you ask anyone who’s seen this movie on the face of the earth, except me, they will tell you they’re sure The Overlook is possessing Jack. Everyone thinks this, and now I'm saying that the exact opposite is true and what we’re looking at is another inverted Kubrickian reflection, and not what we thought was real. What's red is yellow and what's yellow is red, and in typical Kubrick fashion it’s not obvious.Oh but King said this many years ago when I saw him in person when he gave a lecture at my college... That Kubrick missed that the Overlook was possessed. The blogger here seems to be suggesting that Kubrick didn't miss a thing, that what he did was deliberate, right down to symbolically subverting King's version by taking King's red Beetle, burying it and replacing it with his yellow one. Wow! King was actually rather restrained, all things considered.. I mean, King was probably justified in taking it as being given the middle finger, the novel was his baby and all. All the same, so much here was pure genius, and I doubt you'll find a Kubrick movie with such attention to detail as this one, duly noted that all his movies did so.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 8, 2008 0:16:09 GMT -5
Bumping, someone just mentioned this book to me and I was gonna make a post, but it's already here. Pure gold, and the entire book for free.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 7, 2008 17:09:00 GMT -5
Not to be contentious here but I think there is a big push now to get people to believe that Paul is dead. Yes, there is..
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 22:54:33 GMT -5
Long live the Beatles.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 22:00:22 GMT -5
I get it... Where?
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 21:58:00 GMT -5
Don't Pass Me By was a song Ringo wrote back in the early days. Possibly came up before here, not sure. Proof is in the BBC programs from 1964 where Paul mentions it as sort of a way of saying Ringo is capable of writing good stuff, even reading off a few lines. Now... The "car crash" line wasn't mentioned, of course it may have been part of the song, but it seems out of place. I think it was originally meant as a typical boy/girl love song back then, a "car crash" reference seems odd.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 16:50:09 GMT -5
Yeah looks like: (couple of tweaks)
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 12:28:36 GMT -5
That would be Nancy Shevell, and they are traveling in a 1989 Ford Bronco, according to other reports. Maybe just before he gets to Santa Monica.. there's this suitcase... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_66He's basically following the same route I did once he gets to Illinois. (like I said, I stuck mostly to the interstates, which run parallel to the old road for hundreds of miles at times) Everyone should try it once, driving from one coast to the other, it's quite the adventure.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 12:21:04 GMT -5
Letter B, duh... I forgot about that thread. Maybe one of the mods would be kind enough to move all of this over there Can't do that. (yet, when version 5 of PB's comes along, yes)
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 12:19:53 GMT -5
Letter B, should I repost the songs on that other thread? Do whatever you like.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 6, 2008 10:20:52 GMT -5
Paul McCartney's magical mystery tour of Joliet?tinyurl.com/5glx6mIt's a fun trip if he is indeed taking Route 66 to California, although you have to jump back on the interstate at times, as the old road is abandoned and growing weeds in a fair number of portions. I drove some of it a few years ago, although mostly just in Arizona/Ca. One motel in AZ was probably still using the beds from the 20's, lol. Hope he realizes he won't exactly find his usual 5 star accommodations out there. At the Rotary Club luncheon in Joliet on Tuesday, Tony Contos' fellow Rotarians were dying to know: Was the rumor around town true? Paul McCartney was at the Route 66 Welcome Center in the Joliet Area Historical Museum on Saturday? No way.
Contos had his own doubts when he arrived at work Monday. So he checked the security tape.
"It was that teenager in me," said Contos, the museum's interim director, when I called about the rumor. "I said, 'Let's have a look.' "
The man on the tape sure looked like Paul. Paul in the gift store, Paul in the weaving exhibit, Paul heading for the restroom.
How come nobody took a picture, the Rotarians demanded.
Because, Contos told them, Paul said, "No pictures, please," to the first museum employee who recognized him, which was when she went out to tell him he couldn't park where he was parking.
And no complaints, please, that celebrity sightings aren't newsworthy. McCartney isn't a celebrity. He's a legend, a man who once left millions of weeping teeny boppers chewing their pillowcases.
That Paul is getting his kicks on Route 66? The public wants to know.
Pamela Biesen, a museum worker, wasn't convinced it was Paul. Not at first. She did, however, notice a slight, older guy as she was giving a museum tour Saturday. She was talking on, about Indian tribes near Joliet, when she noticed the man's extremely thin girlfriend, his apparently dyed hair and his beaded "Indian" belt. It crossed her mind that he would look better if he didn't hitch his pants so high.
Then a murmur rippled through the museum. There was a Beatle in the house. The woman giving the looming demonstration asked, "Is that George Harrison?"
"I thought, 'Is there a gas leak in here?' " Biesen said when I phoned. What was wrong with everybody? A Beatle wouldn't be here, in Joliet, without fanfare or protection, in an old green Ford "pre-SUV," not to mention George Harrison is dead.
But then Biesen walked into the gift shop. And that guy looked up and said in that unmistakable English voice, "Well, hello."
"And it was Paul McCartney," she said. "I froze. It was like seeing Bigfoot."
Biesen didn't know then that a guy who looked like this one was spotted at a Springfield Circle K last weekend too. All she knew was that she felt she'd found a lost member of the family.
"The Beatles have been in our psyche forever," she said. "And when you're standing in front of someone who has been a part of your life forever, it's an overwhelming feeling. Warm. Like, 'Finally. Finally, I get to meet you.' "
She wanted to make the moment perfect.
"I really just wanted to be polite," she said.
"No. I really just wanted to lick him and say, 'I love you.' "
She sighed.
"But I kept thinking, the poor guy can't have 10 minutes of being normal. I'm going to give him 10 minutes of being normal."
So she walked away.
But not far. She stood outside the gift shop, watching. She watched one of her co-workers hand him a bag of Route 66 maps, heard him say, "Well, thank you very much," watched him and his girlfriend squeeze into the same compartment of the revolving door, and watched the woman put a hand on his backside as they walked off, a departure as unheralded as their arrival.
He had put some money in the acrylic cash box. He had asked a museum worker if "route" is pronounced "root" or "rout." He had signed one autograph.
And if you've read this far, it's probably because, whether it was Paul or not, the teeny bopper still alive in you likes the idea that the mythical cute Beatle is out there cruising the mythical Route 66, which, incidentally, can be pronounced either way.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 23:27:49 GMT -5
F Lee Bailey was overrated for sure.. A fun bit of Beatle history tho.
Some of the "witnesses" have some interesting things to say, in an indirect way.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 23:23:13 GMT -5
The second one is the earliest known picture of him, a daguerreotype taken by Nicholas H. Shepherd in 1846. WikiGood point about it looking rather clear, although a properly preserved daguerreotype can last forever. Google images has plenty of images, the ear is the deal breaker for me.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 23:04:47 GMT -5
damn, I had just located a beefcake shot of Lucifer at Cannes. ;D Cheney was at Cannes?
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 22:57:22 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 22:23:25 GMT -5
Split from: MultiPaulSince the guy in the She loves you clip is not really playing, he could easily be a stand-in. Before the internet, they must have used stand-in a lot more. Like maybe it's 1860something, and you go to see Abe Lincoln and it's not the real guy <grin> it's Fabe Fincoln. LMAO This post isn't intended to make the case Abe Lincoln was replaced, so I'm not going to the celeb section, however.. There was this debate going on here: www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1784278/postsAbout whether this was an early picture: A confirmed early pic: I guess what's interesting to me is that people are seeing all these similarities that confirm in their minds that it's the same guy.. I say no way.. Opinions?
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 16:44:06 GMT -5
is that image totally necessary? Can I post a photo of Satan he did for Playgirl ten years ago? It's part of the fireman mystery, but.. put stuff like this as an external link with a warning. Proboards is 13+, and while I don't personally think a 13 year old will suffer any harm from seeing this.. Let's not push our luck.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 5, 2008 16:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 4, 2008 23:35:29 GMT -5
From a usenet post: tinyurl.com/6qkggm I cleaned up the mangled text, and made an educated guess about a word or two.. A Ted Goranson Search on Google: tinyurl.com/68gsd3Well-
I suppose I let myself in for this. But here goes.
There are a number of stories to be told: how Lewis Carroll came to write the Alice books; the story of the men upon which he based his work (Bulwer Lytton and Thomas Hariott); and even I suppose how I became involved. The stories of interest to Beatle fans are two. The first is in the songs and how they were influenced by the Tarot and Alice. Yes, this in the face of numerous denials by Paul and sometime evasions by John.Yet the structure and illusions are so numerous that this an even more interesting story if they were not intended. But this is a large story that needs graphic aids--It's what the book is about.
The second story is much briefer and addresses merely the history of the Beatles and Alice without allusion to the songs (actually the words). I'll outline the high points below, at least to Pepper. I have good sources for these events, but am interested if someone knows better. What I get out of the deal is more relevant facts if anyone knows any. In any case, my interest is in the other story, the structure in the white album, whether intended or not.
As a boy, John was obsessed with Alice and drove his friends crazy by continually reciting segments. He was attracted to the wordplay for sure, but also the imaginary scenes.His goal in life, stated many times, was to write another Alice. He wrote many Alice-like scenes. Compare Deaf Ted, Dantoona (and me) from his childhood (found in A Spaniard in the Works with Carroll's most famous poem Jabberwocky. This remained his primary goal in life until forming the band, then it was supplemented by being bigger than Elvis.
Even then his literary imagination mixed with the band, as can be seen in his more adolescent obsession with Treasure Island. He insisted on being called Long John and it was part of the stage show that he talked and sang to an imaginary parrot. (Which appears later in songs and his 1969 biographical etching.) As soon as Brian would let him, he started writing.In art school, he met Stu Suttcliff who impressed John with his (initially immature) understanding of how some artists make allusions in their work and use those illusions to import structure from a deeper level. Until his death, Stu was a member (somewhat honorary) of the band.
In Germany, he introduced the boys to a leading proponent of this theory, from whom Stu won a scholarship for study. The most common example of this theory was the artist Magritte, one of whose paintings was of an apple. Stu called his small group of German friends and the Bs the Apple Corps. Upon Stu's death, Paul took over both on bass and as John's companion in this and other regards artistically.
Part of this theory, especially in Germany (as influenced by Rudolph Steiner), involved the use of the Jewish Kabbalah as the system of symbols embedded in the human consciousness. Brian, who was Jewish, thought this bosh, which added an additional dimension to John's epithet "queer jew." As soon as the Bs were free of Brian, they called themselves after this group. Note that Paul now has invested heavily in Magritte originals.The tarot cards are structured according to the central organization of the Kabbalah, which is a geometric diagram (of symbols) known as the tree of life.
John first discovered the connection between Alice and the tarot in the works of Aleister Crowley, a British esoteric practitioner after the German tradition. The main idea here is that man evolves by moving up the ten nodes of the tree.As early as Revolver, John wanted to write an album-long song based on this idea and using Alice. The album's title was to have been first Abracadabra, then Magic Circles (the ten tarot nodes). The Void (aka Mark I for the first node) was to have been a whole side long and include a chorus of a thousand monks: Alice in a boat floating <upstream> from node to node, each node being a different song. His own work habits, George and Brian conspired against him for this song, but Paul promised to help structure the next album. The song was renamed after the promise, Tomorrow never knows. (The cover was done by one of the original, German Apple Corps.)
During this time, Paul became involved with John in hallucinogens and traveled with Ringo to Liverpool to visit a psychic there. To John's amazement, Paul was told he had been Lewis Carroll, and Ringo had been William Shakespeare. Paul was to grab this alice/tarot mission for the next three albums with such vigor that it pissed John off.
Meanwhile (after How I Won the War) John determined to read a certain book, John Fowles <The Magus>. This he did while he and Ringo (and wives) vacationed in a haunted house! The book is about weaving Alice and Kabbalah into a life game. It took place on an Island in Greece. (He subsequently, in July, pursued the purchase of a Greek Island for the Bs to conduct a similar game, and actually arranged for Julian's education there. Through this process, he became the sponsor of a Greek con wiz, Magic Alex, who promised to bring the life game to the masses through electronics.)
The next album was to be based on Alice and the cards. John was to cover the spades and diamonds, Paul the hearts and clubs. Paul proposed the band take an identity as Sgt (originally Dr.) Pepper's Lonely <Hearts> <Club> Band. He wrote a song for Ringo based on the Lord Buckley routine, Willy the Shake, which became Billy Shears. (The idea is that Shakespeare was a hapless front man for Francis Bacon who wrote the plays structured after the tarot, or so the esoteric tradition went. The joke goes further as the song was originally badfinger boogie from the cavern days, original words where John put words in the parrot's mouth.) Pepper is from Alice (and tarot), and stands for karma. (Hey Jude comes from an idea during this period and is taken from another Buckley routine: The Nazz)
John structured his song, Lacie in the Sky with Diamonds, after two influences. Lacie was Carroll's pet anagram name for Alice. Diamonds spoke to the nature of that suit of the tarot: the fully conscious state brought on by drugs. Many images were drawn from Alice, the newspaper taxis, flowering over ..head, rockinghorse people, etc. He even says ..with looking-glass ties. (The other source was Dylan's Tambourine Man, which also spawned the circus and kite songs (his only sole authorships on the record), but that's another story.)
In the planning phase, Mal met with the Jefferson Airplane (who had just done White Rabbit) and collected the more bizarre Alice associations, mostly having to do with drugs (which of course was not intended by Carroll.) John's thinking is preserved in a remarkable document, which he made sure was included in the authorized biography (early editions anyway). There you can see the slip where he has some words for Lucy (he has crossed out Lacie and made it Lucie); he has fiddled with some order of the songs, and has traced the zigzag tarot path. He also has the name of an obscure book on the tarot (actually the name is wrong) by an author who followed up on the Alice/Tarot associations.
John's contributions to the cover included Dylan, Carroll, Crowley, and Bulwer-Lytton (Carroll's source for Alice and himself a kabbalist), Stu and Alain-Forniers. The Alice associations were no secret. Chad and Jeremy did a knockoff of Cabbages and Kings, Dylan and the Stones each responded with their own tarot albums. Before even incorporating as Apple Corps, they had a corporate tarot reader, Caleb.
I'll stop here. The next two albums weresuccessfully organized against Alice where Pepper colored outside the lines. Note just a couple high points. Paul became so obsessed with the tarot path he built a literal tarot zigzag path in his garden and put figures from Alice at the nodes. (These were rearranged for a photo session of the Bs and Yoko which appeared as The 45 cover in the US of the Ballad of John and Yoko.) John named his cat in NY Alice and his son Sean <Taro>. Frequent, sometimes daily tarot readings were demanded by both J & Y, beginning in MMT.
There's much more about TWA aka Jubilee which was Paul's name for the White Album; John's was Music in a Doll's House (Based on two plays, one was Tiny Alice). But someone stole the idea and name and did a knockoff alice album (Family, Reprise RS 6312 for the curious). Jubilees is an apocryphal book of the Bible based on Kabbalah. Linda's cover of spilled cherries on McCartney refers to the messed up plan. Wino Junko on that record was to have been the Main song for TWA under the name Jubilee. (Jubilee is also a Kabbalistic time of forgiveness from the Biblical period.)
Okay, I'll stop.
Please note, I am not trying to convince anyone here. I'm only trying to understand the context for the incredible structuring of the white album. The real case, if anyone wants to see it that way, is in the real artifact, their work.Ted Goranson
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Post by JoJo on Aug 4, 2008 23:21:12 GMT -5
others who sensed it coming ...
Interesting, in that we have almost zero experience with tornadoes here. I always felt that NH people are born survivors..
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Post by JoJo on Aug 3, 2008 11:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Aug 2, 2008 23:50:57 GMT -5
The Rambo knife reference was from that young guy with all the air time I believe. Just something he reached for when searching to paint a picture, but it (unfortunately) caught on. One more interesting factoid.. A Zorro movie was playing just before this happened.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 2, 2008 18:18:01 GMT -5
Now that I think about it.. (and I wish I hadn't dismissed it so quickly when I saw this and bookmarked it or better, saved the video) It was a video from a Canadian TV station. There were three witnesses: One young guy who seemed to get most of the air time, another young guy who was featured somewhat less, and an older guy with white hair who I saw in passing.. That's the one I'm pretty sure spoke of the "there can be only one" comment. Last time I checked, they edited down the older guy's comments.. which makes me start to be a wee bit suspicious.
Maybe Catcher In The Rye is too old school...
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Post by JoJo on Aug 1, 2008 21:30:32 GMT -5
The description of the assailant's actions as "robotic" does make you wonder about the mind control aspect. Don't have a link, but I read in one story that he said "there can be only one" just before starting.. Which is a line from Highlander : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_(film)The Kurgan mortally wounds Connor and prepares to decapitate him, but the MacLeod's kinsmen intervene just before this occurs..
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